@pony ICEs are one plug per two seats.

@Alon with Czech railways it usually depend on the mood and supplier of whoever did the retrofit, when it’s new long distance ish rolling stock, it tends to be a plug per two seats as well, however, shockingly enough, commercial open access ops almost always go for a plug per seat because it doesn’t cost much more and people like it

@pony I think when I rode the TGV there were no outlets in second at all? Or maybe it was some trainsets but not others? Cc @jon

@Alon @jon yeah Western European railways are weirdly stingy when it comes to that, probably historically tried to make it a first class benefit

@pony @jon Proposal: abolish first class, make second class better. In exchange for FDP's support for this plan, pass a YIMBY law, reduce every C2 language requirement to C1, require government offices to speak English, and, I don't know, announce a new nuclear plant somewhere (it doesn't need to actually go through with how high the construction costs are, but eh, it's FDP).

@Alon @jon i take the first class mostly because the student discount doesn't apply to the first class tickets

@Alon @jon either way the pricing is usually such that a fully occupied first class carriage makes more money than second, it's like the "penalty" is losing maybe a quarter of seats while the price is easily double

@pony @jon @Alon Is the 1st class ever near full, though?