XusonthaHow hard can it possibly be?
PistcowI dont see the issue
-Planetary Union
Yeah, the Planetary Union is much better at that kinda stuff
I dunno.
How do we select politicians? Maybe they do something similar?
f00f/erisI suspect a lot of “evil admirals” were promoted by votes from, or just to appease, reactionary political movements.
SpaceCowboyYeah kinda. In politics there’s going to be scenarios someone has to choose between doing the right thing or doing what’s best for their career. And yeah, militaries have politics at the top, just not the left-right politics that’s common in a democracy. These political scenarios filter out the “do the right thing” people and prevent them from advancing to the top. Not all of the time, but often enough that there’s a higher percentage of shitty people in leadership positions then you’ll find in the general population.
ummthatguyAlso note that there are no non-human badmirals.
Closest might be General Oh from PIC.
Oh
Nedar, known as Oh while posing as a Starfleet officer, was a female Romulan/Vulcan hybrid flag officer in the Tal Shiar with the rank of general, loyal to the Zhat Vash, and part of the Conclave of Eight. She became integrated into Starfleet as a mole, where she worked her way up through the ranks to eventually become a commodore, and served as the director of Starfleet Security from at least 2390 to 2399. Oh infiltrated Starfleet in the mid-24th century, after Doctor Noonian Soong began creati
Admiral Pasalk may not have been evil, but he was a jerk.
Spies don’t count lol
There are hardly any non-human admirals at all though, so it’s not a significant statistic.
All the more reason to point out the continued xenophobia still present within the Federation hierarchy… but also to make a light-hearted reference to Arrested Development.
General Oh is… idk how to say this without giving spoilers, but she’s definitely a baddy.
Power corrupts.
We'll have to ask admiral Patrick if he thinks the cream rises to the top.
No one that would do that job well wants the role.
Very good point…
Exhibit A: Admiral Kirk. Spent most of his admiralty getting back into the center chair lol
And after that, most of the “good” admirals we meet are commanding their own ships still.
CarbonIceDragonMaybe the way they deal with bad captains is to “kick them upstairs” to admiral
Or all the competent officers refuse to take desk jobs when they can fly around space enjoying all the green women (and men) they can find.
In their defense, they had no idea that one guy had a mindworm queen inside him.
I really want to see the follow up to that thread. They sent a signal and then… nada.
Also just love this roundhouse kick.
Ahem, that's a crescent kick.
Word on the street was that it was supposed to be a setup for the Borg
Yep. Turns out it’s cheaper to make cyborg costumes than giant insect puppets.
I imagine the easily recognized Borg were easier for networks to swallow than “the enemy is a bunch of parasites that are almost undetectable.”
He was a commander, not an admiral.
And then Riker blew up his head.
That’s what hierarchies do to a mf
Stupid question: What admirals are we talking about here?
Here are the admirals I remember from 90s trek
- Janeway, who got the job because she was hyper competent at killing Borg.
- Picard, who we can assume is generally good at his job
- That dude who was a dick to Riker, who ended up being really good at his job
- Ross, who was generally good at his job, even if Section 31 kinda did whatever they wanted
- That admiral who showed up and told Picard he was an idiot for not using Hugh to kill the Borg
- Those admirals that were all secretly alien worms or something
- Tom Paris’s dad, who was just kinda there
- The lady running the inquisition, who clearly got the role in no small part due to her father
- That other admiral who ended the inquisition trials after he saw what I shitshow the entire thing was.
In general they seemed pretty good at their job.
Point 3: Admiral Edward Jellico. You come to our house, you get my admiral’s name right!
ThenThreeMoreJaneway, who got the job because she was hyper competent at killing commited genocide against the Borg.
I feel like you lose your right to complain about being victims of genocide after the second or third alien race you yourself genocide, especially when your entire race is essentially a bunch of enslaved thralls who almost always bounce the second they get free will back.
All the Borg do is try to make the lives of others better. They give people a euphoric feeling while bringing them closer to perfection.
Nah, mate. I’m all for an eternally growing, infinitely improving race of robots, but the Borg did it wrong.
There’s a lot of interesting ethical concerns about the Borg Collevtive. It’s easy to think of it as some big, alien, external force that erases minds and uses the bodies as flesh puppets. But that isn’t how they’re described at all. The people are all still there, that big scary intelligence is made up from merging all their minds together. Obviously, the consent issue is problematic, and we know people generally find it horrific when they are freed. But the fact is, the majority of the Hivemind apparently don’t mind, the hive mind is made up from the gestalt of the individuals, and that is the only thing keeping individuals from leaving.
That’s like saying that eradicating a virus is genocide
Does a virus try to make the person it infects more perfect?
Yes, but for itself, not the person.
But by becoming part of that greater whole the person is brought closer to perfection. Plus, they’re made immortal.
LucyLasticAdmiral Patrick was also brilliant
The good ones commit crimes to get themselves busted back down to captain.
Very good point there