ZWho63It seems like the Internet always converges on these things...
balderdashThe amount of times capitalism gets dragged into a thread that has nothing to do with economics or politics is, quite frankly, astounding.
LOL, you think the enshittification of the Internet has nothing to do with economics or politics?! I’m almost morbidly curious about what exactly you think it does have to do with, then!
I’ll forgive you for strawmanning my position because I haven’t fully articulated it. Of course capitalism is connected to every area of our everyday lives.
But, unpopular opinion incoming, people go out of their way to bring up capitalism in every thread and it gets old fast. You could have a thread on !AskLemmy about how hard it is to be a dog-walker, and there will be comments saying how OP wouldn’t need to be a dog walker if it weren’t for capitalism! Whether you think that’s true or not is beside the point; this corner of the internet is always beating the dead horse called “capitalism bad”.
When you become part of the “lucky 10000” the temptation to share your discovery will be strong.
I’m not saying I disagree with their general point.
FYI, restating your argument precisely and without changing context isn’t “strawmanning.”
Hmm, we may be talking past each other. I’m not disagreeing with OP’s point that capitalism is a problem or even a problem for the internet. I’m saying that it gets brought up so often that its tiring. That’s where the strawman comes in: they were arguing against a position that I didn’t hold.
I took issue with your claim that this was “a thread that has nothing to do with economics or politics.” That’s clearly untrue, regardless of how “tiring” it is for you.
Also, by the way, what’s happening now is not that we’re talking past each other, but rather that you’re backpedaling to try to save face.
Nah, I think I would know if I had changed positions. But I’m not going to try to convince you because clearly your mind is made up.
When someone complains about capitalism or neoliberalism with something that doesn’t involve it, I always like to ask them to tell me the definition of the word without googling it.
Do internet strangers really play along with that? I would expect a very unproductive semantic argument.
That’s how they tend to go
Are you sure you’re trying your hardest to understand what they actually mean?
nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]It’s almost like the economic mode of production touches and influences everything in our lives
You tankies have thick skulls. No one here is saying capitalism is good. That’s beside the point
Which part of my comment implied you did? Seems like a poor choice to be calling other people thick skulled when you’re just failed basic reading comprehension.
axont [she/her, comrade/them]Good or bad it’s everywhere and has its fingers in everything.
If you want to answer at least try to address the point
There is a point at which conversation breaks down and everything you say is basically ignored because people on the internet make snap judgments about what you’re saying and filter it into the category of “agree” or “disagree” and then up/down vote accordingly. I don’t have time to go back and forth with people on the–fuck, I just responded
people on the internet make snap judgments about what you’re saying
Crazy, you’re describing exactly what you did
JamesConeZone [they/them]My sibling in Christ, you broke the conversation down,it didn’t magically happen. Someone responded in good faith and you were an asshole instead of continuing the conversation or offering literally anything of substance
Eh, maybe you’re right, but I was getting dogpiled and it gets old fast. Honestly, I think capitalism is a major problem and we can replace it with something better, but people on Lemmy are so fucking obnoxious about it that my patience wears thin. If you say anything remotely against that group think, you will get dogpiled. The other day, I hate a post that said something about China/Tiananmen Square, and had so many comments complaining. I don’t think I even encountered this much toxicity on reddit, this is ridiculous. Hence the “you tankies” comment.
Eh, maybe you’re right, but I was getting dogpiled
We don’t have downvotes on our instance. When we disagree, we tend to respond.
That’s why you got so many answers, which you describe as “dogpiling”. Responding to only one of them is perfectly fine.
Also for fuck’s sake:
I don’t think I even encountered this much toxicity on reddit, this is ridiculous
Nobody was toxic with you, nothing beyond “a bit harsh-worded”. Reddit is far much worse. Again, probably you felt like that because of the sheer amount of responses you got.
Some of them were “well argued” some were just stating their opinion without facts. One guy said “death to America” which I found pretty funny
The stuff you posted includes what is basically NATO propaganda, which is why it got so much reactions (and admittedly not all of them constructive - again, no downvotes here). Don’t take my word for it, take the CIA’s word for it for example (or any number of a hundred - far better argued and sourced than mine - answers in the very thread you linked). The “Tiananmen Square massacre” as usually described in Western sources is not something that actually occurred (though there were more generally huge protests and people killed in that town during that night).
but I was getting dogpiled
If you act like a clown, people will come to see the circus. 🤡
Looking at your comment history: you are a troll
Everyone liberals disagree with is a troll: a bedtime story for liberals.
I don’t think I even encountered this much toxicity on reddit
You responded to my completely anodyne comment with an insult and you’re still crying like you’re the victim here
There is a point at which conversation breaks down and everything you say is basically ignored
When you’re running interference for capitalism by concern trolling, everything you say makes you look like a fucking clown. 🤡
No one here is saying capitalism is good. That’s beside the point
What is your magnificent enlightened centrist point, besides STOP TALKING ABOUT THE SYSTEM THAT AFFECTS THE ENTIRE PLANET WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH?
ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]The number of people who don’t understand that absolutely everything is politics and economics is, quite frankly, astounding
They don’t feel the politics until they do, and that’s when it becomes politics.
We understand, we just don’t want to talk about it all the fuckin time
You may not care about class struggle, but class struggle has a keen interest in you.
Capitalism is a function of everything that happens in a capitalist society
Basically everything around you is not there by happenstance but because of hundreds of years a very specific economic arrangement of society. You would be hard pressed to find anything touched by humans in the last 200 years that doesn’t have capitalist contradictions embedded into it
we don’t have to circlejerk about it every 3 seconds
You don’t have to run interference for “not all capitalism” every 3 seconds, lib.
Eh, I agree with the general point and would like a better system but can we talk about other things ffs. The general atmosphere on here is so negative.
The general atmosphere on here is so negative.
If only we were more “nonpolitical” to fit your arbitrary and nebulous standards, we would seem more positive! Did you like product? I liked product! Are you looking forward to next product!
Counterpoint: using the word “circlejerk” to disparage points we’d rather ignore is a really annoying thing to do.