For those who work in companies that subscribe users to emails, when users unsubscribe, what portion of them say they "never signed up for this"?
Obviously not looking for hyperaccurate answers, just in general, how many people tend to unsubscribe from promotional emails and how many tick the option “I never signed up for this”?
Professional marketer here, all of the unsub rates in this thread look nominal (0.1-0.2%).
Also, when we run third party distribution campaigns, a large amount of people, I can look at their hotjar journey and watch in real time their mouse movements as they download a whitepaper, then we call them and they say they never downloaded it.
It’s a mix of lying to the annoying marketing company (I get it), and just plain forgetting you did it.
I switched from Hearthstone Deck Tracker to Firestone Deck Tracker yesterday, I’m not entirely sure if I checked to see I wasn’t signing up for marketing emails, it’s that easy.
Not to mention, I can buy just about any non-EU email address i want on demand.
Also, when we run third party distribution campaigns, a large amount of people, I can look at their hotjar journey and watch in real time their mouse movements as they download a whitepaper, then we call them and they say they never downloaded it.
This shit pisses me off. If I’m forced to enter my e-mail address to download a white paper, that should not be considered consent to spam me. My company gates our whitepapers behind e-mail/personal details as well. I just put in my marketing team’s personal contact info when I have to download something from our own website.
thats funny but if you gave me a real name and a fake email, it gets run through data normalization and I’d likely get your real email.
If you just give me the company name, fake name and email, it’s possible that if you met our qualification procedure, we’d just dig out the best looking person at the company (head of department, procurement manager, vice president?) and start contacting them based on “institutional buying intent.”
I mean I’m emailing you twice a week at your work email address for 6 weeks about a product to help you with reducing costs on a certain business function, and making sure you see ads for my company when you would see ads for a different company, and someone pays me money to do it.
I dont touch any personal emails, so I don’t really consider it immoral to email you about your job at your job.
But I’m not giving you explicit consent to spam me??? You’re gating content behind me giving up an e-mail address and then pretending like that’s consent. This is the part I find immoral.
And you’re being disingenuous here. You’re not “e-mailing me about my job”, you’re spamming lame brochures that I never explicitly consented to receiving. Whether you think that’s immoral or not, don’t attempt to rephrase it as if it’s some great service you’re doing me.
You are giving me explicit consent, though, as payment for downloading a whitepaper.
Or if you’ve been prospected, I have to maintain a reason for emailing you in the CRM, and I’d invite you to consider the ramifications of “businesses can’t contact other businesses.” What if you need your windows cleaned? Or your fleet vehicles need to have their tires checked? Or you need a new warehouse to expand your business?
You personally in your every day role may not want that, but businesses, in general, do.
I am emailing you about your job if you are in charge of expensive ($10MM+) software applications and are interested in downsizing your compute and storage costs. Are you those things? If you are a CDAO of a billion dollar company, you probably would like to consider the product I work for.
If I’m a CDAO of a billion dollar company, I’ve already delegated that cost reduction effort to someone else and your type of unscrupulous spray and pray marketing is exactly what I’ve told them to avoid once they see it.
I work in IT, and routinely blacklist vendors, block their corporate email domains, phone number blocks, etc., once I find they are doing this targeting toward my company in hopes of landing “the right decision maker” to talk to. If your product is good and worth it, and we actually need or want it, you don’t need that type of sales/marketing tactic to get in the door.
Respectfully, I disagree. Procurement is a large arm of many businesses with a supply chain, and if you blocked buying teams from speaking to vendors there’d be an uproar.
You’re absolutely certain none of the people at your company of Director level and above have any third party onboarding calls, nor cost reduction mandates that consider third party tools? I am extremely doubtful that is the case.
And, furthermore, I wouldn’t be surprised if the company you work for goes harder than I do at mine. What’s your send frequency to MQLs?
well then the context matters as it’s not 100s of emails, it’s 12 emails to one person, and that person either filled in a form or had met a specific set of dozens of criteria (as mentioned, firmographic, technographic, psychographic, in some cases based on SEC 10K/Q filings, in others based on M&A or hiring announcements) for us to consider approaching them.
We are talking about me emailing 3 people at your company, tops, during work hours, about specifically their jobs.
The “approaching 3 people” bit is quite targeted, but I still get sketched out at the fact that you’re setting “12 emails” as the minimum because it’s the legal maximum. It’s like drivers that interpret the posted speed limit as “you must drive at least this fast, but don’t go over or you will get ticketed” and not reality of “this is the max legal speed you are permitted to drive without penalty”.
Before you go into a “if you don’t agree with the law” bit, I’ll just note that just because something you’re doing is legal, doesn’t make it ethical, wanted, or moral. I can play my stereo, outside, at a certain max decibel level, every day, until exactly 10 PM, and still be within the law. That doesn’t mean my neighbors won’t want to murder me after the 2nd or 3rd day I do it. Ethics and morality are the reason I don’t, not the law. The law if for companies/people/entire industries like yours (marketing, not your product), because society knows guardrails are needed, even if they are overly loose (likely intentionally as a byproduct of lobbying/brigery).
it’s not the legal maximum it’s the industry defined benchmark as affecting deliverability, at which point you want to disengage from sending to avoid a negative impact to your domain score as a legitimate sender.
You may dislike that but it’s set as a benchmark because its considered de rigeur. To do otherwise affects the competitive ability of the company against its vertical competitors.
Now, again, thats not me personally but rather all email marketing (with some horizontal and vertical adjustments, e.g. industry / NAICS)
To me it’s the same as no sales assistant wants to ask you if you want to super-size your meal, or sign up for the credit card, or join their rewards program: but you have to do it because it’s part of the job.
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