@8petros

NeoNazi adherents. Including Mariupol Steelworks defenders, the Azov Battalion

This description is largely incorrect and formed by Russian propaganda. #Azov Battalion from 2014 is a completely different unit and different people than the “Azov” unit in Mariupol. The former was a volunteer unit originally formed by Ukrainian nationalist with actual neo-Nazi sympathisers making 10-20%, which, granted Batallion’s overall count of ~1000 people could be maybe 100-200 people.

Then the Azov Battalion was however disbanded with many of its members joining National Guard which in total has ~250’000 personnel. Right now “Azov” is simply the name of one unit of National Guard of #Ukraine and it has nothing to do with Nazi ideology, which I can testify personally as I know people who serve there. Also among Mariupol defenders there were many more soldiers from other units such as Ukrainian marines, border guard, GUR etc.

Yet, these 100-200 people from the original were then used by Russian propaganda to represent the whole Ukrainian army, and then the whole country, which is especially ironic in the face of high representation of actual neo-Nazis in #Russia “Wagner” group, starting from its commander Dmitry Utkin, and many other volunteer groups such as “Rusich”.

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@kravietz @8petros This is just complete lies. The AZOV battalion was basically almost exclusively neo-nazi when it was initially founded, though soon grew to include other far-right nationalists and football hooligans who did not necessarily define themselves as national socialist.

The idea that there was a mere 100 - 200 nazis in their ranks is beyond laughable.

They also never "disbanded", they were incorporated into the national guard. And they are still full of neonazis, not completely, but there are still a few thousand neonazis in the ranks of AZOV, and other military formations. Especially the Russian Volunteers Corps, armed by the Ukrainian gov, which is exclusively made up of neonazis.

You only have to spend a few minutes scrolling through many of the social media accounts ran by AZOV members and supporters to find hundreds of recent photos of AZOV fighters with nazi flags, banners, tattoos, patches and graffiti.

Just check out some of these telegram accounts:

https://t.me/azovukrainesupport

https://t.me/ukrainefront88

https://t.me/fortresskyiv

https://t.me/EternalMuscovite

https://t.me/vallholl

https://t.me/russvolcorps

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@RadicalGraffiti

You're clearly an OSINT champion. You managed to find a bunch of random channels with "Azov" in their name, so it shouldn't be a huge problem to point me to specific "Nazi" content in any *official* channels associated with the 12th brigade of National Guard which is mostly made of former Azov?

I can actually help you sharpen your OSINT verification skills: the first channels is neither official nor associated with Azov, nor I was able to find any Nazi symbolics there.

Oh, excuse me, I did — it was their post about Milchakov, who is an openly Nazi Russian soldier.

As for your lengthy "Azov admission" post, I'm sure you understand the ridicule of posting an anonymous, unattributed piece of text as evidence for anything...

@8petros

@kravietz @8petros Obviously the official AZOV page does not post explicit nazi propaganda anymore, like they did in the early days (though they did keep the nazi wolfsangel logo). They have a new media strategy and orders from the national guard which forbids this.

That does not change the fact that there are still a great deal of neonazi soldiers in Azov.

I didn't claim to be sending you an "official" AZOV account. I sent you links for a number of different social media accounts run by Ukrainian Nazis (there are countless more). Some of the people running these accounts are active members of AZOV.

If you spend some time searching through the content of those accounts you can find many recent photos of AZOV soldiers holding Nazi flags, showing off Nazi tattoos, posting in front of Nazi graffiti, ect.

The text post I shared was written by:

https://t.me/ultrasnotreds2

A nazi football hooligan page (some of their admin are Ukrainian), and the post was shared by a number of the other Ukrainian nazi pages. If you scroll through their posts for a couple minutes you will find it.

Though I believe that you have zero interest in actually investigating this. And would prefer to share lies than actually look at what actual Ukrainian nazis in Azov say about this.

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@RadicalGraffiti

The text post I shared was written by:

Which is related to Azov… how exactly? Because in order to support your initial claim that, essentially, today’s Azov is “Nazis”, you seem to be trying to find any far-right extremist groups and desperately trying to associate them with “Azov”, even if it’s a channel written in English with far-right news from all around the world and no apparent association with Ukraine apart from casual “Слава Україні!” in their header. You’re literally scratching the bottom here.

If you were to honestly look for neo-Nazis anywhere, there were scandals involving neo-Nazis in all world’s armies, including German, American and Russian. Yet, you don’t rush to call them neo-Nazi as a whole… except for Ukraine, parroting the Russian narrative. And surprisingly, you’re kind of right in not doing that, because actions of individuals don’t impact the whole organisation of thousands of people… unless they’re sanctioned by the organisation’s policy. And this is certainly not the case with either German, Ukrainian or American armies, all of which clearly ban neo-Nazi symbolics.

I wouldn’t be so sure in case of Russian army, granted the fact that openly neo-Nazi Utkin was rewarded highest Russian medals by Putin himself, and openly neo-Nazi Milchakov was similarly honoured by other Russian diplomats. But still, at the surface Russian army kind of doesn’t display Nazi symbolics and its allegiance to fascism is displayed more by the genocide it’s conducting in Ukraine and Syria.

@8petros

@kravietz @8petros What are you talking about?

AZOV never "got rid of the Nazis". They just recruited more more people who were not explicitly Nazi (but still basically all far-right nationalists. Sympathy for Nazi collaborators like Bandera who massacred Poles & Jews is basically universal among Ukrainian patriots/nationalists these days).

AZOV was literally founded by Ukrainian neo-nazis. AZOV never purged the organization of their nazi members, never changed their nazi wolfsangel logo, though somewhat toned down the use of the
Sonnenrad, though it still appears regularly in official AZOV propaganda.

Those social media accounts I shared feature hundreds of recent photos of groups of AZOV members proudly displaying nazi symbols.

Yes there are Nazis in other militaries around the world, but there is honestly not a single one that features as many as Ukraine. You will never find so many soldiers in any other country proudly wearing nazi patches on their uniform. This is a fact.

Armies in most other militaries will reprimand soldiers for posing with Nazi flags/graffiti. Members of AZOV and some other Ukrainian military units do this regularly with zero consequence.

@kravietz @8petros Obviously none of this justifies the Russian invasion. Russian propaganda is extremely cynical in its focus on Ukrainian nazis.

Russian state actions over the past decade have only inflamed the issue, with Ukrainian nazi groups and wider public support for WW2 Ukrainian collaborators massively growing in response to the Russia's imperialist actions.

The problem is that Ukraine supporters like yourself, who feel the need to "counter-Russian propaganda" then spread lies to deny the very real existence of widespread fascist sympathy in Ukraine.

Yes, the explicit fascist parties have not received many votes in recent elections, but all the major political parties celebrate nazi collaborators and Holocaust perpetrators such as Stepan Bandera. Monuments honoring these collaborators have been built all over Ukraine. Such a thing is unthinkable in any other European country outside the Baltics.

@RadicalGraffiti

Here’s another debunk of the #Bandera narrative from a more authoritative source:

https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/during-german-occupation-of-ukraine-the-nazi-bandera-contributed-to-the-genocide-of-his-own-people

On 30 June 1941, the day when German troops occupied Lviv, Bandera and his emissary Yaroslav Stetsko attempted to proclaim a new Ukrainian state in Nazi-occupied Lviv but were quickly arrested by the Germans. Both Stetsko and Bandera were interned in special barracks in the concentration camp at Sachsenhausen (where they remained until September 1944).

Bandera did not personally participate in the activities of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) formed in 1942 (mass killings of Polish civilians in Volhynia carried out by UPA units and killings of the Jews). Bandera had not been on Ukrainian territory once during the war.

@8petros

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@RadicalGraffiti

Oh my God, you literally swallowed all Russian propaganda like a goose! Your beliefs about Bandera "massacring Poles" and "participating in Holocaust" are probably the best evidence to that.

Bandera participated in assassination of *one* Pole, Bolesław Piernacki, in 1930's for which he was sentenced and imprisoned in Poland.

Other than that he spent almost the whole war, 1941-1944, imprisoned in German concentration camp, so he could physically not participate in the Volhynia massacres (1943) and there's no evidence he knew or supported them.

Few people do know it, because few people actually study Bandera's biography — why waste time for studying if you can just repeat clichés conveniently distributed by Russians?

@8petros