Flying SquidAmazon Is Using Your Conversations With Alexa to Train AI
Gradually_AdjustingI will be the last person to not have a smart home. There will be a banner over the doorway: “Welcome to Stupid House”.
There will be a small cover charge.
I’m with you. I hate how they expect me to control everything from my phone or with voice commands. I’m fine walking to a light switch or walking to the thermostat.
orclevThere’s a middle ground as well. I refuse to put Alexa or OK Google or whatever on any of my stuff, but I run home-assistant with zigbee smart devices. My entire setup runs completely cut off from the internet. I could in theory even air gap it, although that’s a little overkill. It’s a “smart” house, but one I’m 100% in control of.
Is that self hosted? I’d just about fuck with a FOSS self hosted smart home setup, but even then I could barely be arsed
Yes. You can host it on a pi if you want
That’s badass. I’ve got one lying around actually.
Be careful running it in a Pi because it’s a little heavy for that depending on how you configure it. A Pi model 4 is probably OK, but you wouldn’t want to run it on a model 3 or something even older, and you’re going to want to use one with at least 4GB of RAM.
Ah shit, the raspberry I’ve got is old as hell. Thanks for the heads up.
It will probably run even in a Pi Model 1, it’s just going to be a bit slow to interact with, and you’re not going to be able to do anything more complicated like enable the voice support (which you probably don’t want anyway, because I think it’s dependent on internet access for that, and then we’re back to the same problem as Alexa, although I don’t use it myself so I can’t say for sure).
Saving the idea for a spare weekend. Cheers!
For when you get bored:
CihtaI’ll get a lot of hate for this but when you say pi you mean pi4. I kept seeing this HA on lemmy and tried it on a pi2. I don’t know if it worked or not, it’s a very bloated piece of software. After an hour of waiting I installed docker and the HA instance on my main server (which is ancient) in under a minute.
It’s cool and all but my feit dimmers require some pcb work and flashing to be compatible so verify what devices you have before you hop in.
I used to have an automated building running on a bare 386 and a floppy drive. Hate on me all you want but sending simple commands like turn device on shouldn’t require a giant software package but otherwise HA is neat, just a lot of overhead i can’t exactly justify.
Worth trying out though.
I think reflow stole a lot of their code.
No hate from me.
Just about every project I’ve started with a pi has ended up working out a lot better as a vm on an x86 host. But lots of people seem to love them.
To be fair It has its uses i suppose. I’ve had one running pihole since the original pi came out. Used PI2s in the past for OSMC and, even better, ambilight.
I think now a cheap android TV box you can flash is probably better for a simple less than 5watt device.
Besides the HA test I’ve been trying to use one to be an openvpn TAP interface but it’s been a fight and i think you just convinced me to do it in another docker instance on the server and save myself some headaches.
PiVPN was actually one of the things I thought the HW handled pretty well. Other than how much it ends up getting throttled by the 100Mbps link.
Yep, I run mine on an ODroid XU4, but you can run it on just about anything including a docker container on a generic Linux install.
0110010001100010I’m using z-wave stuff but similar setup. Home Assistant does reach out to the cloud for some things like weather forecast and Google calendar but otherwise it will operate 100% without internet if needed. I also have cameras that while they aren’t air-gappend they are blocked from Internet access and can only talk to the NVR.
squibletThe last thing I want is to talk to a computer. Buttons are fine. The roboto phone customer service is bad enough.
BuelldozerI’m fine walking to a light switch or walking to the thermostat.
When the hallway light was left on again it’s really damn nice to simply say “Turn Off Hallway Light” while staying under my nice warm covers. It’s also pretty swank to have the garage lights turn on when the garage door opens then turn themselves back off 5 minutes after the garage door closes. Someone left their closet light on? No problemo, my automation catches that and shuts it off.
Window coverings like blinds and drapes? Yeah, those are opening and closing automatically based on the position of the sun, even when I’m not home to do it. Did it rain while I was at work? Automation keeps my sprinklers from running tonight.
All of that is being done by Home Assistant and absolutely no Internet is required to make it work.
it’s really damn nice to simply say “Turn Off Hallway Light”
Can you use a custom wake word? The only reason why I’m still using Alexa is for the “computer” wake word.
HA doesn’t have “Wake Word” yet. It supposed to be coming before the end of the year. Right now you have to PTT (Push To Talk) to make it listen and for the privacy minded this is actually better than an always listening device.
Still, a lot of people want WW support and it is on the road map.
When skynet comes online, I’ll die quickly, being mopped to death. You’ll have to struggle in the post apocalyptic hellscape where humans fight robots with A-10s for some reason.
MaestroYou can have a privacy-first smart home. I have. I run Home Assistant in a docker container. No external services/plugins. My smart doorbell streams to my local nvr. If my internet is down, everything keeps working. And it's not even that hard anymore. It's become a lot easier over the last 2-3 years. Still not for non-techie users, but a lot better.
That sounds pretty reasonable.
Edit: Still kind of want to call my place “Stupid House” for myriad other reasons
I’m not tech illiterate by any means, and everything after “home assistant” in that post is Greek to me
Docker is a way to run containers. Basically lightweight virtual servers. That makes it easy to run multiple servers on one machine. An NVR is a network video recorder. It's like a video security system like they use in stores where all cameras are viewed and recorded in a single place. I assume you know what a doorbell is 😄
BigFigHave any resources to get started with that? Been looking into security systems but don’t fully trust nest/ring/simplisafe etc
Just start with a local Home Assistant on. Raspberry Pi and go from there: https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/
LoafyLemonTeach me your ways. Setting up Home Assistant seems like such a daunting task. I'm stalling converting my devices into it. Any tips for a beginner?
I just followed the steps on their site. Containers give me cancer, so I did a real install on my home server.
Caveat: I am a professional software engineer
Start with a Raspberry Pi and just follow the docs: https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/
That's the easy way. I did it the hard way, but that's because I run on on a big dedicated home server together with a dozen other services.
Would’ve been newsworthy if it wasn’t the case
Yeah, that’s kinda the point. They literally tell you that your voice interactions are used to improve the service.
I gItz NufIN Ti HIIIDE
DJDarrenIt’ll be really good at telling people to shut the fuck up if it’s using my data for training.
Of course they are. If you are surprised by this, then you are an idiot.
maegul (he/they)Harsh but true. We need some tough love in our relationship with tech.
Spliffman1Why people always so ready to call other people idiots? Idiot
TheLowestStoneBecause most people are idiots.
Ok see that’s actually a really good point.
They literally tell you when you go through setup.
Well,that’s the thing with “news” right? Just scattered information without context for clicks. If people start connecting the dots and things make sense, most of the news become pretty uninteresting and would not evoke anger, prompting you to click and share.
I work for Amazon.
This has been the case for many years. Amazon has used AI in Alexa and other services for many years as primary providers, and has told it’s users it’s used it’s data for as long. We’re talking from close to inception here, so 6-7 years, at least. Hell, LLM’s aren’t even new to most big tech companies!
I’m all for privacy, but if you want privacy then you probably shouldn’t have a fucking tin can in your house that actions every conversation to a cloud service!
Not every conversation, just statements following a detected wake word.
You trust that?
Considering I set up one of the content types that relates to wakeword and utterance text analysis for Alexa, I trust it completely.
You’ve seen the source code?
But can I trust you? Are you willing to share the source code?
ChiwaWithMujicanoHatThere’s this study for those interested in knowing more about how often these devices mistakenly record conversations:
I bought an Alexa but it is muted. Do they still listen?
YⓄ乙 Who the fuck are buying these ? I really want to meet the person who has one of these in their home.
Hi I have one! The echo is actually a very useful smart speaker and produces good quality audio. Mainly I just use it to voice activate Spotify and for quick easy things like weather forecasts, trivia that comes up in conversation, and updates on package orders. Yes I realize it’s probably spying on me. No I don’t care that much.
Thats great. Try the google one as well. Its better than Alexa. I would say install one in the living room and second in tmyour bedroom. It’ll be a perfect home🥰
We either avoid the spying like the plague or we accept it into our homes. If we want a future with robots, those things are going to have microphones for ears, a speaker for a mouth, cameras for eyes, and some sort of smell detector for the nose. We’re just in the training phase for that experience.
Kids will adapt to it, older curmudgeons will try to stay away with their lamplight oil. I personally want a robot to take care of cooking and cleaning so I can enjoy other things in life.
Yes, it’s an ongoing struggle between convenience and privacy. I’ve noticed that the voices for privacy tend to be the loudest and angriest, yet they still choose to have cell phones and computers and complain on the Internet. Unless they’re Amish or in the deep wilderness, AI will eventually know a lot more about them than they would like.
A crazy number of people are buying products with Alexa in them. I don’t really get it to be honest. It seems like mostly just a novelty.
So retarted! I’ve stopped buying anything that connects to internet. The only thing in my household that connects to internet is my PC and phone.
I bought a phone mount for my car that had Alexa built in. The software fucked up after 2 weeks, but it’s still the best physical design for a phone mount that I’ve found. So it’s unplugged and got a dead battery and just holds my phone.
I have a firetv cube that doubles as an echo device, but sorry I don’t want to meet you.
I have 7 in my house. I have my lights, plant humidifier, TV, air filter, Aquarium equipment, and others all hooked up to them. You can run almost anything you need to just by using your voice.
Getting ready to watch something on TV? “Alexa it’s movie time.” Turns on the TV and Switches the input to the Shield and opens up our go to media app. Shuts off all lights in the house except the living room. Dims those to 10% and changes them to red. Just enough light to see your snacks and the remote by. Turns off the sump filter for the Aquariums in just the living room but leaves the in tank bubble filter going for better silence. All with 4 spoken words and no need to work with multiple remotes and apps in your phone.
That’s just one example. We have an obscene amount of routines setup for nearly ecery scenario we have run across and adding new ones is easy.
Hell… We even have a routine where if you say “Alexa, do you know Desi naach?” It plays Naatu Naatu from every speaker in the house at full volume.
Show me a FOSS system as plug and play, powerful, and as EASY to use as Alexa and I’ll drop Alexa in the trash tommorow and switch.
Lol suckers born every minute