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Walter Tross@sandlapper37
the first is a choice, the second very often isn't
CEbbinghaus@waltertross @sandlapper37 yeah but the problem people have with it isn't that it isn't a choice for them. But rather that they wear it at all choice or not
Ariaflame@waltertross @sandlapper37 And in European history the first was also often not a choice. So yes, it sounds like a nerve got struck with you
David Mitchell 
@ariaflame @waltertross @sandlapper37
Yes. Seems to me the solution is to vigorously promote and protect any person’s freedom to wear what they wish, and to provide a supportive society as free of compulsion and pressure to conform as possible so that it can truly be *their* wish.
…and to stop listening to snowflakes scared of a little cloth
pmroman 🇪🇺@ariaflame @waltertross @sandlapper37 Yes, it was often an obligation in Europe too but a long time ago! The problem isn't the faith, it's the refusal to leave the dark ages.
@pmroman @waltertross @sandlapper37 I just feel it is not my place to tell anyone what they can or cannot wear.
@ariaflame @waltertross @sandlapper37 I absolutely agree, that's precisely the probem: next to my house there's a parking and you can see each morning and afternoon many professional women stoping their cars and parking to take off, or put in, the clothes they must wear to enter their neighborhood without being abused. How do I know? I asked them.
@pmroman @waltertross @sandlapper37 But choosing to abuse those women isn't something that should be done. And I know it's often the women that get abused.
Hands Off Christo@waltertross @sandlapper37 LOL @ you thinking any religious indoctrination leads to free choice.
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Kevin Boyd (he/him) 🇨🇦@waltertross @sandlapper37 I sincerely doubt that the majority of people who react negatively to hijab or burqa or niqaab are doing it out of an immense respect for bodily autonomy or women's rights.
@waltertross Very true
Art - US Expat in Spain@sandlapper37 Yes, one is an employee of the church. If she worked for Burger King, she'd be wearing their uniform. The other feels that out in public she must tell people she's a member of a religion (just as someone wearing a cross around their neck or some silly hat) or she is wearing it because if she doesn't some male will abuse and hurt her. My opinion is that wearing signs of your religion in public is divisive.
Sibshops@sandlapper37
Bad take. The nun isn't being stoned to death when she doesn't wear it.
Or in more tolerant countries, isn't being told she is going to hell when not wearing it.
Robert Petersen 
@Sibshops @sandlapper37 the two Muslim families on my street in upstate NY who have members choosing to wear the hijabs aren’t getting stoned to death either: some of them are wearing it but their other family members aren’t.
How about we accept that it’s possible that people can and do make that choice for themselves in some places, and countries banning it are as ridiculous as the places that force it.
While it's positive that some individuals can freely choose to wear the hijab, we must recognize that places enforcing it through coercion are fundamentally different from places with a general ban on religious attire. Both situations have their complexities, but it's crucial to distinguish between personal choice and forced imposition while upholding the principles of personal liberty and religious freedom.
Doug Baker - Elbows Up! 🇨🇦@sandlapper37 I often think that - I was taught by nuns back in the '50s and '60s and it occurs to me that the only difference, perhaps, between their habits and a hijab is about 60 years.
Evil Bunny Pottymouth@sandlapper37 Both bother me because they reek of indoctrination.
Misuse Case@sandlapper37 I’ve seen versions of this going around and a lot of people telling on themselves with “AKSHYULLY they BOTH bother me” or something like that.
Grimblob@sandlapper37 They both bother me. Why are they staring?
Albert HickeyAll religions are man made and so are shaped to meet the needs of those with powerful positions in those religions.
It's like Animal Farm. "All animals are equal but some are more equal than others"
Religions the world over is used to control.
For some their grip is reducing for others it's still strong.
Toni Aittoniemi@sandlapper37 But that’s not the same thing.
A nun’s dress is by choice. But for a lot of muslim women there is no choice. Wear it or be shut out of society and possibly stoned.
djinnsour@sandlapper37
What if both bother me? No one should be forced to hide their head, arms, legs or other body parts solely because someone says an imaginary being wants them to. Or, be made to feel "immoral" for not doing so.
What if both bother me? No one should be forced to hide their head, arms, legs or other body parts solely because someone says an imaginary being wants them to. Or, be made to feel "immoral" for not doing so.
The Saanich Daily@sandlapper37 They both bother me. #FreedomFromReligion
Esslar2@sandlapper37 Why are women allowing men to tell them what they can and cannot wear?
derptron@sandlapper37 OK. One little difference here is that women are not forced to dress like a nun if they don't want to. In fact, it's only a select few in those religions that dress like nuns at all. The same can't be said for the hijab. If they want to, whatever, I don't care, but I do object to their being forced and especially the common penalties for disobedience.
Rachel Snijders@sandlapper37 they don't bother me, but covering your head with a towel also doesn't seem necessary to me. But to each their own.
Pamela N Red@sandlapper37 actually they both bother me due to the oppression of women.