Are We Ready For This Site's Endless Feed of AI-Generated Porn?

A very NSFW website called Pornpen.ai is churning out an endless stream of graphic, AI-generated porn. We have mixed feelings.

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Are We Ready For This Site's Endless Feed of AI-Generated Porn?

A very NSFW website called Pornpen.ai is churning out an endless stream of graphic, AI-generated porn. We have mixed feelings.

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Could be interesting. I mean for one thing no real person being expolited and those with strange fetishist can be satisfied. But could be very disturbing as well. Wonder how long until AI video porn?

I think it is just a matter of time for the disturbing stuff to circulate. If people can create their darkest desires they will.

Thrn cue debates and political campaigns about AI in general and if we should allow anyone or anything to create depraved images, pronographic or not.

That’s so good, sissy. You got even better after I amputated your legs.

“We don’t intend to police the use of developing technologies at this time.”

That’s so good, sissy, blind that billionaire with your acidic piss.

“We cannot allow our children to be exposed to such grotesque videos.”

Yeah, although I think part of the missing nuance is that people already did that, the difference being that now anyone can, in theory, create what’s inside their head, regardless of their actual artistic talent. Now that creation is accessible though, everyone’s having another moral panic over what should be acceptable for people to create.

If anything, moving the more disturbing stuff from the real world to the digital seems like an absolute win. But I suppose there will always be the argument, much like video games making people violent, that digital content will become real.

People have been able to draw for eons. Imagine trying to ban the public from drawing because the odd few people are a little mixed up.

AI is just a tool, like the pencil, charcoal or paints.

I know you aren’t suggesting we ban it from the public, just my side of the hypothetical debate that your right in saying will arrive

It’s already happened. Someone made an AI generated porn of some influencer and it was a big deal for a few minutes.
Are you talking about deep fakes? None of that is original. They just use their a face and AI matches it on to a pornstars body in an existing video.
I feel like we will start to see that more often. S complaint I see a lot here is that some people want extremely niche content that is very specific. If you have some people who get into those very specific poses and do those very specific things then run it through SD’s image to image feature you can make the person look sexy but have the same pose. The same way you have folks do mo cap for roles we might start seeing people specifically hired to do this sort of stand in.

There’s also the fact that not all porn is exploitative

Make up your mind. Last week every porn was exploitative because reasons, and not it’s not because people could lose their job.

Little known fact - there’s more the one person out there, and, those extra people have lots of differing opinions!
Then why do they say it’s a fact?
Because it is a fact, and anyone who says “all porn is exploitive” is projecting their morals and idealism across a whole industry with zero regard for nuance.
“You can say anything on the internet.” -Genghis Khan
“You can’t just go on the internet and lie.” -Kublai Kahn
But it’s funny how people never care about nuance when they’re trying to make a point…only when someone else is trying to make a point.

I think words like “thirsty” and “thirst trap” are self defeating. Actual thirst is your body’s biological response to a need for water. Without water, you’ll die. Calling porn sites “thirst traps” suggests that people have a critical need for porn - which is often contrary to the point the author is trying to make.

Arguing about the ethics or morality of something that’s “necessary” for survival is irrelevant. Anyone who’s against pornography is perfectly within their rights to share their opinion, but they should avoid the word “thirst”.

Edit: I know the issue of pornography can evoke strong feelings in some, but I’m only talking about word choice, folks.

I’m also not one of those tiresome people people who refuses to admit that they’re wrong, and acts like a child when faced with sound opposition. If someone would actually put their opinion into words, instead of just downvoting, I’d appreciate it.

Man, you really do sound like a redditor.

A redditor would try to hide their gross opinion behind a thin veneer of logic. I’m not getting into the ethics of porn at all.

I’m just talking about phrasing. I think “thirst” is a poor analogy.

I think words like “thirsty” and “thirst trap” are self defeating. Actual thirst is your body’s biological response to a need for water. Without water, you’ll die. Calling porn sites “thirst traps” suggests that people have a critical need for porn - which is often contrary to the point the author is trying to make.

a thin veneer of logic

He’s right. You’re not actually listening to what he’s saying at all. You’re the one who sounds like a redditor.
Dude, what
I just think the word “thirst” is a bad choice, that’s all.
This is a good hill to die on, and I applaud you for it.
*stabs him*
Lol read the reply from @Ropianos. It’s good.

Consider another association with thirst: Desperation. In the mind of the other porn consumption is negative so anyone consuming porn is doing this out of desperation, despite knowing better. It essentially describes people being controlled by their base instincts. And thus this site is a trap, luring people against their will.

That is how I would interpret the word thirst in this context anyway. It’s not about a critical need, it’s about thirst being irrational and highly compulsive.

Awesome! Thank you! This is the kind of thought provoking response I was hoping for.

Additionally, it’s a really good point. I totally missed this interpretation, and I think it’s better than mine.

Sure, no worries! I haven’t been disappointed yet by responding to downvoted comments so I will keep doing it :)

Just another similar metaphor: Powerhungry. Not the stove kind but the dictator kind. To be honest, there are quite a lot of body related metaphors, e.g. drowning in trouble, blinded by ambition. I guess it comes down to evoking some strong emotion.

I think a lot of people (myself included) are used to the combative, hostile environment of reddit. An actual friendly disagreement is a foreign concept to them. Personally, I enjoy it when other people present different perspectives. It’s both interesting and a great way to learn.

And yeah, “power hungry” has a similar vibe. Nice!

Totally agree, though I haven’t really participated that much on Reddit. Seems like any disagreement is quickly framed as trolling over there.
Yeah. People are very defensive, because even the insinuation of disagreement is taken as a personal attack. It gets into your head, and takes a while to get over. You forget that reasonable, well-meaning conversations are even possible. It sucks. I’ll never go back.
That’s hardly even an interpretation. Thirst and hunger as verbs have always meant to desire something.

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Thirsty

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=thirst tr…

The author isn’t using thirsty, like you’re thirsty for water. They are using the slang version.

I can see how you would misunderstand without knowing that.

Urban Dictionary: Thirsty

NOT a synonym for horny..... Thirsty means desperate for sex Horny means in the mood for sex

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It’s slang. There are tons of words in every language that don’t make sense but get used a certain way because that’s how people use them. Next thing you’re gonna tell me is that in the 1980s when people called things bad you were upset because they actually meant good.
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While amazing, most of these are hilariously wrong. Let's just say the girl with 4 bellybuttons was the more tame incorrect thing I saw.

I am a little surprised that no one had created a site like this for child pornography.

I am not a legal expert, but my layman's understanding of Ashcroft v Free Speech Coalition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalition is that as long as there is no person being harmed by it CSAM is legal.

Maybe later rulings have changed this. One can hope.

Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition - Wikipedia

Surely we should know, right? Cartoons or hentai or whatever must have gone through this at some point?
Typically, the laws get amended so that anything that looks like CSAM is now CSAM. Expect porn generators tuned for minor characters to get outlawed very quickly.
Yeah at least in the US, anything sexualizing a minor is against the law. This led to the loli sites getting shut down that were run stateside. I’m sure some will pop up in other countries with less tough laws though.
CivitAI is a pretty perverted site at the best of times. But there’s a disturbing amount of age adjustment plugins to make images of children on the same site they have plugins to make sex acts. It’s clear some people definitely are.
Some models also prefer children for some reason and then you have to put mature/adult in positive prompt and child in negative
I think part of the problem is that there is a lot of anime in the models and when you don’t filter that out with negative prompts it can distort the proportions of realistic images. In general models are always heavily biased towards what they were trained on, and when you use a prompt or LORA that worked well on one model on another, you can get weird results. There is always a lot of nudging involved with keywords and weights to get the images to were you want it.

Well, to develop such a service, you need training data, i.e. lots of real child pornography in your possession.

Legality for your viewers will also differ massively around the world, so your target audience may not be very big.

And you probably need investors, which likely have less risky projects to invest into.

Well, and then there’s also the factor of some humans just not wanting to work on disgusting, legal grey area stuff.

yup, just like the ai needed lots of pictures of astronaughts on horses to make pictures of those…

Exactly. Some of these engines are perfectly capable of combining differing concepts. In your example, it knows basically what a horse looks like, and what a human riding on horseback looks like. It also knows that an astronaut looks very much like a human without a space suit and can put the two together.

Saying nothing of the morality, In this case, I suspect that an AI could be trained using pictures of clothed children perhaps combined with nude images of people who are of age and just are very slim or otherwise have a youthful appearance.

While I think it’s repugnent in concept, I also think that for those seeking this material, I’d much rather it be AI generated than an actual exploited child. Realistically though, I doubt that this would actually have any notable impact to the prevalence of CSAM, and might even make it more accessible.

Furthermore, if the generative AI gets good enough, it could make it difficult to determine whether an image is real or AI generated. That would make it more difficult for police to find the child and offender to try to remove them from that situation. So now we need an AI to help analyze and separate the two.

Yeah… I don’t like living in 2023 and things are only getting worse. I’ve put way more thought into this than I ever wanted to.

Aren’t AI generated images pretty obvious to detect from noise analysis? I know there’s no effective detection for AI generated text, and not that there won’t be projects to train AI to generate perfectly realistic images, but it’ll be a while before it does fingers right, let alone invisible pixel artifacts.

As a counterpoint, won’t the prevalence of AI generated CSAM collapse the organized abuse groups, since they rely on the funding from pedos? If genuine abuse material is swamped out by AI generated imagery, that would effectively collapse an entire dark web market. Not that it would end abuse, but it would at least undercut the financial motive, which is progress.

That’s pretty good for 2023.

With StableDiffusion you can intentionally leave an “invisible watermark” that machines can easily detect but humans cannot see. The idea being that in the future you don’t accidentally train on already AI generated images. I’d hope most sites are doing that but it can be turned off easily enough. Apart from that I’m not sure.
I could have sworn I saw an article talking about how there were noise artifacts that were fairly obvious, but now I can’t turn anything up. The watermark should help things, but outside of that it looks like there’s just a training dataset of pure generative AI images (GenImage) to train another AI to detect generated images. I guess we’ll see what happens with that.

Unfortunately, no, you just need training data on children in general and training data with legal porn, and these tools can combine it.

It’s already being done, which is disgusting but not surprising.

People have worried about this for a long time. I remember a subplot of a sci-fi series that got into this. (I think it was The Lost Fleet, 15 years ago).

You’d also have to convince them that it’s not real. It’ll probably end up creating laws tbh. Then there are weird things like Japan where lolis are legal, but uncensored genitals aren’t, even drawn.
There was an article the other day about underage girls in France having AI nudes spread around based on photos as young as 12. Definitely harm there.
You haven’t been to 4chan lately because that’s exactly what it’s being used for
Hentai maybe. But realistic shit is 100% illegal, even just making such an AI is likely illegal as you’d have to use real CSAM to train it.
I’m sure they’re out there on the deep web.
Slip and slide right into CP
That’s already happening
[spongebob_voice]III’m ready!