Mastodawn

🏳️‍🌈🖖🏽Sep 19, 2023

Powerful speech by President Joe Biden before the United Nations, with President Zelenskyy also in attendance.

Screenshot from CNN Live Feed of President Biden’s Remarks

“Russia alone bears responsibility for this war. Russia alone has the power to end this war immediately. And it’s Russia alone that stands in the way of peace.

Russia’s price for peace is Ukraine’s capitulation, Ukraine’s territory, and Ukraine’s children. Russia believes that the world will grow weary and allow it to brutalize Ukraine without consequence."

Old Cyclist for Democracy Sep 21, 2023

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"But I ask you this: If we abandon the core principles of the United States to appease an aggressor, can any state in this body feel that they are protected? If we allow Ukraine to be carved up, is the independence of any nation secure?

I respectfully suggest the answer is ‘no.’ We have to stand up to this naked aggression today, and deter other would-be aggressors tomorrow.

That’s why the U.S. together with our allies and partners around the world will continue to stand with the brave people of Ukraine as they defend their sovereignty and territorial integrity and their freedom.”

Binro the Heretic (he/him)Sep 19, 2023

@georgetakei Ok, Joe, now do Palestine.

(Nothing against Ukraine. I just can't stand blatant hypocrisy,)

@BinroHeretic @georgetakei I don’t believe you actually care about Palestine. I believe you only bring it up to try to erode support for Ukraine.

@BinroHeretic @georgetakei For the record, I think Israel is in the wrong in that conflict. But they are irrelevant to this discussion.

John Wilson Sep 20, 2023

@BinroHeretic @georgetakei
It is in fact the same situation. Israel invaded and occupies a good portion of Palestine.

We should insist on the same withdrawal to the 1967 borders as we do to Russia to return to theirs.

That we haven’t done so in 56 years is a shame on US policies across too many presidents.

Jimmy Carter was our best.

Бджілка робе кусь Sep 20, 2023

@BinroHeretic @georgetakei You mean that state controlled by radical islamist organization that publicly states they hate jews, uses suicide bombers and children as human shield? Yeah, what about it?

Yeah, Izraeli-Palestinian conflict is a conflict between one nation's right to self determination and other people that also live there. It sucks, and other radical islamist countries like Iran continue to fuel it.

Yes Izrael illegally occupies part of Palestine. And what exactly led to this?

Binro the Heretic (he/him)Sep 20, 2023

@bjeelka Israel annexing land that isn't theirs. They need to vacate Palestine now, just as Russia needs to vacate Ukraine. You can't stand with the people of Ukraine and the government of Israel without being a goddamn hypocrite.

Which it appears you are.

Consider this the end of our conversation.

Бджілка робе кусь Sep 20, 2023

@BinroHeretic No, my position is perfectly consistent. When democracy is at war with a brutal totalitarian oppressive regime - I'm always on a side of democracy.

The problem with russia is not illegal annexation, it's genocide.

You can be executed in Gaza for being Jew and expressing your identity. You won't be executed in Izrael for being Arab.

You can be executed in occupied Donetsk for being Ukrainian and expressing your identity. You won't be executed in Kyiv for being russian.

Бджілка робе кусь Sep 20, 2023

@BinroHeretic I mean, don't get me wrong, illegal occupation of someone else's territory is really bad. Annexation is even worse. But you know, not as bad as genocide. It can be more or less dealt with by diplomacy, if you're not dealing with a literal maniacal imperialist fascist regime that wants you and your whole nation in concentration camps or at the gallows.

Бджілка робе кусь Sep 20, 2023

@BinroHeretic But yes, if you DO deal with a crazy totalitarian regime - occupy the shit out of them. Occupy Moscow, occupy Beijing, occupy Pyongyang, occupy Teheran and yes, occupy Ramallah also. Then dismantle the regime, organize a just tribunal for those who are accountable and humanitarian aid and free elections for everybody else and then leave. That's my position.

🎓 Doc Freemo

🇳🇱Sep 19, 2023

@georgetakei I rarely support wars, least of all the kind the USA gets in. But ukraine I'd support as there is a very clear right and wrong, and it involves the unilateral and unprovoked invasion of another nation.

Catherine Schmidt Sep 19, 2023

@freemo @georgetakei Ukraine is fighting for all democracies.

🎓 Doc Freemo

🇳🇱Sep 19, 2023

Indeed they are.

@georgetakei @mastoreaderio pls unroll

Masto Reader Sep 19, 2023

@LosGrandeFocco here's the unrolled thread: https://mastoreader.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fafterspace.rocks%2F%40LosGrandeFocco%2F111093824363026487

Masto Reader

AMonkeyInSilk 🇺🇦🇵🇸Sep 20, 2023

@georgetakei unfortunately the United States only maintains its “core principles” when it suits them.

They abandon those principles depending on how the political winds are blowing. If it suits to be the aggressor the USA will take that role on, disregarding sovereignty in the process.

This is true for many countries and is not unique to the USA.