Stamets [Mirror]A not-so-friendly reminder
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foggymeatwad is dumb tho
Smarter than shake
Dumber than Carl, which… you know…
NeatoCarl has a house in New Jersey and works from home in 2000. He's living the dream.
Except the house is in New Jersey.
swab148Adverbs are like the next stage of Pokémon evolution to pronouns
If bigots hate pronouns, God help them when they reach verbs.
Yeah, duh. They’re proverbs
You mean like camels through the eye of a needle?
You must have some tiny-ass camels
Nah, it’s not so much that the ass-camels (SFW XKCD) are tiny as the imaginary dude rich Christians pretend to worship saying that they’re not going to his imaginary paradise
Finally, an actual joke. I thought we were on an internet-argument-cesspool sub.
I know this is a meme sub, but I firmly believe that the trans movement is going to either collapse or severely regress over the next few years. I think it’s already starting to happen. Hopefully I’m wrong.
EveryMuffinIsNowEncryptedWhy? (Not saying I agree or disagree; I just want to understand your perspective.)
Cows Look Like MapsYou’re gunna have to elaborate on that one.
I think you’d be disappointed if they did.
Movement?
Not a fad, not a trend, not a movement. There have been variations of trans people for thousands of years throughout various cultures around the globe. It’s a human thing. The only thing you see happening is growing awareness, growing acceptance, and growing self-discoveries.
ObliviousEnlightenmentThey straight up said they hope they’re wrong. I think what they mean is more they expect us to lose our civil rights movement, or at least backslide in the near future. Which…i wish i disagreed
Being trans isn’t a “movement”. Being openly anti-trans is part of a reactionary political movement, though, one that can’t die out fast enough.
Being trans isn’t a movement in of itself, but there is a trans movement. You can deny it all you want, but it’s there. Unfortunately, at least in the US, the general public is increasingly becoming more trans across all age groups and political affiliations (according to Gallup). This is reflected by the fact that there more anti-trans legislation than there was a few years ago. The reality is that the trans movement is heading in the wrong direction. Either the people with influence in the movement are focusing on the wrong things, members of the movements can’t organize or don’t care enough to, or the movement is being poisoned from the inside either by extremists or bad faith actors. Regardless, if people keep ignoring it, the anti-trans positions will steadily gain more ground and civil rights will regress.
the general public is increasingly becoming more trans
No. Trans people have increasingly felt safe and accepted enough to not hide themselves as society has progressed. There’s always been trans people, but they’ve become more visible as they felt they could safely do so. Same thing happened with gay people when civilized society advanced beyond wanting to kill them for who they were and reactionaries thought more people were suddenly becoming gay and made up conspiracy theories back then too.
This is reflected by the fact that there more anti-trans legislation
That’s not a reflection, it’s a bigoted fear- and ignorance-based reaction from the same kind of people who would have made harmful laws against gay people before that became unacceptable and black people before then. Bigoted reactionaries react that way every time society becomes more accepting towards ostracised groups.
the trans movement is heading in the wrong direction
Still not a movement. Besides that, which “direction” do you feel trans people are moving in?
Either the people with influence in the movement are focusing on the wrong things, members of the movements can’t organize or don’t care enough to, or the movement is being poisoned from the inside either by extremists or bad faith actors
Again, being trans is NOT a movement, and asking for your identity to be accepted and acknowledged is NOT a direction. You’re sounding dangerously close to “gay agenda” conspiracy theories.
Regardless, if people keep ignoring it, the anti-trans positions will steadily gain more ground and civil rights will regress.
Classic victim blaming bullshit. The anti-trans agenda is gaining ground not because of anything that trans people are doing wrong, but because of fascist agitators taking advantage of the fear of the unfamiliar that is one of the defining traits of bigots to whip up engagement in an astroturfed collection of hate groups and loosely associated bigots.
I know you probably think that you’re being reasonable and giving good advice, but your condescending victim blaming coupled with pretending that anti-trans “positions” are based on anything but bigotry and politics of hate and fear is NOT helping.
That’s right
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As soon as they respect genetics
NatakuNoxYou know people are born with genitalia that doesn’t match their chromosomes? If you can be born with the wrong or both genitalia, isn’t equally possible to be born with the “wrong” brain makeup? Additionally scientist believe the more social the animal species, the more queer their sexual habits become. As the most social animals ever, it’s only common sense that our population has different mental and physical differences in order to better understand each other? Trans gender people offer such a boon to understanding humanity. They are a piece of the puzzle to getting past isms. (sexism, racism, etc.)
Who are you, Ian Malcom?
You should probably do some research on the subject. Intersex and trans people exist however uncomfortable you feel about it. They just want to exist without their existence constantly being questioned.
How do you feel about Joe Rogan taking HRT then? Or gong to the gym? Changing your body is “disrespecting genetics?” No, the issue you take is the social transition. You want to treat people like shit and feel justified in it. Feel free! Enjoy yourself. Just don’t bitch and whine when Meatwad gets you.
Oh goody, another of THOSE idiots…
TurtlePowerI have no problem respecting them as living, breathing people, but I will not feed their delusion. It is not a physical gender issue, it is a mental health issue - some sort of mental abnormality, like AD(H)D, BPD, Schizophrenia, etc. It is just an extreme form of body dysmorphia (they even call it gender dysmorphia). So why are we being forced to feed this delusion? Why are we mutilating people because of their mental illness? When someone has a mental illness, do we help them hurt themselves or others? No. We give them medication and therapy to try and get their system to function correctly. So why do we not do the same for trans people? It is not the same as being gay/les/bi/etc. That is physical and/or romantic attraction. That is not mental illness. Thinking your body is wrong or that you’re in the wrong body is. We need to stop treating it medically, and start treating it psychologically. Regardless, they are human beings and should be treated as such, with all the rights that go along with it.
Oh fuck off
That’s real productive discourse there. It answers all the questions I asked!
HolzkohlenWe don’t owe you shit
Never said you did. I don’t owe you shit, either. But you can go eat some.
mypasswordistacoMental health issues are treated medically all the time. Drugs + therapy are common treatments for nearly all mental health issues. Who’s to say that gender dysphoria (not dysmorphia) isn’t treated the same.
If someone wants to physically alter their body to match their preferred gender, what’s it to you? Honestly why do you care so much? I can’t help but imagine those like you as those codgy people with antiquated ideals, spewing hate and judgement because someone has tattoos or body piercings.
The only reason I care is because it’s constantly being shoved down everyone’s throat and I have seen so, so many trans people who are trying to make the whole world trans. That is not hyperbole. I have had trans people try to convince me that I am trans. Just because they’re unhappy with what they were born with doesn’t mean everyone feels that way. I’ve also had trans people completely disregard anything I have to say about any topic, just because I’m “cis” I’m all for fighting for fair and equal treatment of all, but I will NOT stand for that shit.
I’m not sure what kind of trans people your interacting with, but your negative reaction may have soured your belief of the entire community. The vast, vast majority of trans people just want to live their life without having to feel like worthless outsiders from both their own bodies and fellow people. There is no push to make other people trans. If your not trans your not trans, and that isn’t a bad thing. Being cisgender or transgender doesn’t make someone any more or less valuable as a person, and it certainly doesn’t effect the validity of their opinion.
Have you not seen all these hexbear fuckwits?
Yes, many of the interactions I’ve had with trans people, both on- and offline, have brought me to this. I always try to treat people as people, until they show themselves for what they truly are. It’s really simple: are they an asshole or not? If they are not an asshole, we cool. If they are, they can just fuck right off.
He’s not interacting with trans people. Dude is a fullblown liar and I’m stunned that people are taking his lies seriously. He is literally repeating, word for word, talking points that transphobes have been using for years.
Nothing he’s said is true. Nothing. Dude just cannot stop lying simply because he wants an excuse to hate people even more. It’s sad.
LileathFirstly it is called gender dysphoria and not dysmorphia and secondly they tried to medicate us or use conversion therapy but that only made the people that this was done to more depressed and possibly suicidal. If it was possible to “cure” being transgender without doing any harm to the people being treated I would be for it but as it is now, pretty much the only way to alleviate our dysphoria is to transition socially and medicinically.
And for someone that says that they support our human rights you dont seem to give a shit about our bodily autonomy and I dont think that you hold cis people that underwent plastic surgery to the same standard as us.
Sorry I got dysphoria mixed up. I didn’t know that trying to fix things mentally made things worse. Maybe they just haven’t figured it out yet. I hope they do, because I’d love to see people happy without having to harm themselves physically.
As far as bodily autonomy, there are still limits to that. If there weren’t, why can’t we smoke/drink/poison ourselves however we want? Why is it illegal to try to kill myself and (most) people try to stop me?
And I’m glad you brought up plastic surgery, because I don’t agree with that, either. Yeah, if someone needs it because of some tragedy that befell them like they were burned or disfigured, then by all means, try to fix it. But those nutters that try to literally look like Barbie or that guy that tried to look like Beckham…just…no. If you’re “ugly”, be “ugly”. Commercial beauty is what’s truly ugly.
So, I appreciate that you seem to genuinely want to understand trans people. You should keep in mind that being trans means different things to different trans people and not everyone’s journey is going to be the same. The reason that we give gender affirming treatment and are supportive of trans people when they go through transition is because it leads to the best mental health outcomes. This doesn’t even involve surgery most of the time. If you accept homosexual people as they are, would it really be such a stretch to do the same for trans people? They just want to live life without their very existence being constantly questioned. If you meet a trans person, you might be surprised how kind and genuine they can be.
I think a lot of my problem comes from the masses of people that for them it’s, well, essentially a form of cosplay. I know that may not be the best way to describe it, but I hope it helps at least somewhat convey what I’m trying to say. It’s like those girls that pretend to be bi for attention but they eat pussy like it’s going to bite back or something. Or people that pretend to have a mental illness to feel special. I’m just sick and fucking tired of it being forced on everyone. By that I mean that I have had trans people try to convince me that I am trans, or should be. I know not all trans people are like that, but those way-too-vocal minorities are fucking it up for the real trans people. As for questioning their existence, I’ve never done that. They exist, same as anyone else. I have worked with them. I’ve had friends that are. (I say had because I don’t keep in touch with anyone that isn’t in my immediate area, trans or not.) I’ve helped them as customers at my job, with the same level of service as anyone else- I treat people based on whether or not they are an asshole. Nothing more, nothing less.
I think a lot of my problem comes from the masses of people that for them it’s, well, essentially a form of cosplay
Your problem is with people who don’t exist.
Why do you consider medical transition as harmful anyway? Most of the operations have no significant risks and you get well informed before even getting the chance of having them performed and they usually have a much higher satisfaction rate than other medicinically necessary surgeries like knee replacements etc. And if you want to use some “but think of the children” bullshit, assuming you live in either the USA or the EU, they get puberty blockers at most, which are also in use for several other things and proven to be rather safe, and then when they get older they finally get access to real HRT which also doesnt pose much risk to their health since several years as long as they take the right supplements alongside it as with a lot of medicinic therapies.
And suicide is actually legal in a lot of countries fyi
Fuck all the way off.
That’s a wonderful argument. So eloquent.
miss_brainfartRegardless, they are human beings and should be treated as such, with all the rights that go along with it.
And what rights are those, according to you? What human rights do you want for yourself?
Good, you know your sources at least.
So, these rights protect a persons will to be who they want to be, and to do what they want to do. They aim to let a person live their life, unbothered.
Yes?
Yes. So why are they bothering everyone else with it?
Remember a handful of years ago when all of a sudden everyone and their mother had a gluten allergy? That’s what this shit feels like. Yes, there are a lot of trans people out there. But I have encountered so fucking many, both on- and offline, that are just doing it to feel special.
To feel special, or to feel like themselves, which makes them feel excited and happy in a way they haven’t been in a long time, maybe ever?
People are feeling more and more comfortable to come out and be public with who they are, and that’s a good thing.
If you misinterpret that as a weird fad or trend to feel ✨special✨, then I don’t know what to tell you.
Maybe you should take a closer look at yourself, to figure out why it’s bothering you so much. I’m not trying to insinuate anything here, I don’t know you. Only you can come to a conclusion that makes sense.
But whatever that conclusion is, please find it. Take a step back an evaluate what you feel from a distance.
No, I know the difference between someone being giddy over finding themselves and someone doing it for attention. Unlike the fucking hexbears you see here throwing hate around, I know how to be introspective and self-reflect. I imagine it’s not uncommon for people to wonder what it’s like to be the opposite gender. My wife occasionally asks me what it really feels like to have a cock and balls. Hell, I’ve wondered what it really feels like to have a vagina and clit. But neither of us is going to change genders just to find out. It’s just natural curiosity. Trans people don’t bother me. Being browbeat is what bothers me.
You know what’s curious about this whole exchange? Your orignal comment clearly went against trans people in general, but as soon as you got some well-deserved pushback, you backpedal and try to specify only disliking a certain type of person, like that makes it any better.
But anyway. Yeah, natural curiosity is perfectly normal. What’s it like to have this or that bodypart? Never boring to think about.
But I don’t see what that has to do with anything.
But whil we’re still on the topic of wanting attention, I reckon I gave you enough of it, more than you deserve.
So again, if you know how to self-reflect, do that.
Oh. You’re lying.
Earlier in this thread you claimed to be part of the LGBT community. Now you’re saying you’re in a heterosexual relationship with your wife.
My guess is that you’re “bi” because you kissed a dude in college and didn’t hate the concept. Now you just believe that you’re bisexual and get to involve yourself in the community when you don’t have a place in it.
Even if you are legitimately bi, I’m here to inform you that the community wants nothing to do with you. You’re a small-minded and hateful bigot who keeps spreading lies. You lose your mind about tankies, which are annoying as hell, but use their same thought process. You are right. Everyone else is wrong. Nothing will change your mind because you believe you have full understanding. Immediately you have put yourself in a place of total ignorance on purpose because you’re afraid of your world view being shattered.
You’re sad.
No, fuck off
Eat shit.