George Takei 
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🎓 Doc Freemo 
🇳🇱I thinkt he book awards can do whatever they like, and are within their rights. But it was the wrong decision. As far as I know Drew didnt hire any non-union writers, nor as she personally violated any of their asks... She is perfectly ok.
The bigger issue is the cancel culture, I know I will not give any attention to the book awards (As is my right) due to this decision.
Rui Alf Kerensky Chaves@freemo @georgetakei The show has her name on it, so she's ultimately responsible.
Besides, 'Cancel Culture' has been around for thousands of years (ostracism), and will quite likely be around for many more.
Besides, 'Cancel Culture' has been around for thousands of years (ostracism), and will quite likely be around for many more.
The show has her name on it, so she’s ultimately responsible.
I never said she wasnt responsible for the decision. I said that her decision was the correct one and thus she did no wrong doing.
Besides, ‘Cancel Culture’ has been around for thousands of years (ostracism), and will quite likely be around for many more.
You seem to be confused what Cancel Culture means. It isnt just the act of boycotting, we have always done that and its fine. Its a Culture where boycotting is central to that culture, which is a recent development.
@freemo @georgetakei
I don't think her decision was the right one. We are at a critical crossroad with regards to many things, and her actions are a potential dent in the armor.
Also, I'm not confused about cancel culture.
It's not that boycotting is central to the culture, it's that the internet makes protesting that much easier, and therefore people don't actually have to go out and do something.
Therefore what we have is not a culture of cancelation. That's always been around.
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I don't think her decision was the right one. We are at a critical crossroad with regards to many things, and her actions are a potential dent in the armor.
Also, I'm not confused about cancel culture.
It's not that boycotting is central to the culture, it's that the internet makes protesting that much easier, and therefore people don't actually have to go out and do something.
Therefore what we have is not a culture of cancelation. That's always been around.
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I don’t think her decision was the right one. We are at a critical crossroad with regards to many things, and her actions are a potential dent in the armor.
On that we strongly disagree.
Also, I’m not confused about cancel culture.
Therefore what we have is not a culture of cancelation. That’s always been around.
I mean clearly you still are since you said you werent confused, then went on to perfectly agree with me… You said “thats always been around”… ok so you just said Cancel Culture has always been around, thats literally you admitting that Cancel Culture is a thing, you just dont think its a new thing.
@freemo @georgetakei
I'm not because my point was that the central issue is not the cancelation mentality, it's the "I'm outraged now so lets do something now, preferably something that doesn't involve much effort".
Actions have consequences, that's the basis for ostracism. So that basis will always be behind most responses to things like this.
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I'm not because my point was that the central issue is not the cancelation mentality, it's the "I'm outraged now so lets do something now, preferably something that doesn't involve much effort".
Actions have consequences, that's the basis for ostracism. So that basis will always be behind most responses to things like this.
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@freemo @georgetakei But the change we have now is not a shift in that mentality, its with the ease of access that we have to information and the ability to react to it almost instantly.
We see a post that angers us and we can immediately reply to it, and repost it, express our anger, giving it greater visibility.
But in that same way, we can see something online and immediately buy it.
We've become a more visceral society, where we tend to act more impulsively than ever before.
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We see a post that angers us and we can immediately reply to it, and repost it, express our anger, giving it greater visibility.
But in that same way, we can see something online and immediately buy it.
We've become a more visceral society, where we tend to act more impulsively than ever before.
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@freemo @georgetakei
We are much more dependent on instant gratification, instant responses, sometimes even before we know all the facts.
And that was my point. Society has always had ways to punish those it sees as transgressors, so what we're doing now isn't that different from what the Greeks started doing more than 2000 years ago.
But this is part of a bigger issue, one that has ramifications in many aspects of our society.
Simply put, this cancel culture is a symptom of a larger problem.
We are much more dependent on instant gratification, instant responses, sometimes even before we know all the facts.
And that was my point. Society has always had ways to punish those it sees as transgressors, so what we're doing now isn't that different from what the Greeks started doing more than 2000 years ago.
But this is part of a bigger issue, one that has ramifications in many aspects of our society.
Simply put, this cancel culture is a symptom of a larger problem.
Sure but as per my last comment, Cancel Culture (that is, boycotting frivilously) seems to have happened quite a bit later after the instant gratification had already been a thing for decades.
@freemo @georgetakei
It was already here. I'm constantly reminded of that woman that made a stupid joke before boarding a 12 hour flight to find she'd been fired when she landed.
What probably changed is what I mentioned in the other reply.
We are so divided nowadays that this has almost become a type of warfare.
I cancel the actor you like, you cancel the actor I like. I cancel the beer you love, I cancel the beer you love, and so on and so forth.
It was already here. I’m constantly reminded of that woman that made a stupid joke before boarding a 12 hour flight to find she’d been fired when she landed.
Cant say I agree… People have been boycotting since forever. But prior to the last few years it was far less frivolous than it has become in recent years.
What probably changed is what I mentioned in the other reply.
We are so divided nowadays that this has almost become a type of warfare.
I cancel the actor you like, you cancel the actor I like. I cancel the beer you love, I cancel the beer you love, and so on and so forth.
Here we agree, the (IMO) recent development of Cancel Culture is closely linked to what you say here.