NightGauntsJohn Fetterman says he'll 'never understand' progressives who refuse to support Joe Biden
The Pennsylvania Democrat recalled his time serving as a Hillary Clinton surrogate in 2016, even after he supported Bernie Sanders in the primary.
I don’t like Joe Biden, but this isn’t a presidential approval poll, it’s an election, and he’s clearly better than any of the alternatives. And when it comes down to it, he’s been better than I expected. We could have just had an exclusively centrist presidency, and while there’s been plenty of centrism, he has been persuadable to progressive action.
And frankly even if you can’t bring yourself to express support Biden for some reason, it should be pretty easy to want anyone who willingly associates with Republicans to lose and lose badly, because they’re way beyond stealth-mode fascism now. Even the most jaded “they’re all neolibs” voter from earlier elections can’t possibly ignore that the Republicans are just fash now. There’s a real danger if they win that cities end up with federally tasked jackboots kidnapping protesters like Portland.
Nope. Voting for Cornel West. I think Marianne Williamson is also a significantly better candidate.
So you like Trump for 2024, then? Noted.
Perfect summary of how fucked the two party system and partisan identity in the US is. “Oh you don’t want to get behind a party that supports the Palestinian genocide? Trump lover!” You basically have a moderate rainbow capitalist center right party, and a fashy culture war right party, they have the same donors and corrupt capital directing their policies though. The vote is like picking the aesthetic you want to see things degrade under.
These two things can be true at the same time:
Feel free to vote for West if you live in, say, California. But in a contested state, a vote for West is a vote for Trump (or his replacement as Führer).
There is an actual, material difference between the center-right big-business party (the Democrats) and the fascist party. If you don’t believe me, go ask a gay schoolteacher from Florida.
You can’t blame 3rd party / nonvoters for the faults of republican voters. Mentality like that is why we are stuck with point number 1.
Do you want to Make America Florida?
Who you or I vote for is not going to stop a second January 6th, it isn’t going to change the plans in project 2025, the question is no longer about duely elected politicians, there is a high chance that Trump could be barred from running due to his actions on Jan 6th, but that doesn’t change angry confused people’s minds.
If you don’t want to make america Florida convince a Trumper he’s bad don’t attack people who already know it.
Weren’t you just talking about 3rd party/nonvoters? Because if they’re truly seeing fascism on the rise and then not voting against it they’re very much not the people who truly “know Trump is bad”.
I was, voteing 3rd party is voting against fascism, unless trump ends up running 3rd party then it could go either way. There is more than just us and them, there are people inbetween, and treating them like the enemy is not how we get out of this mess.
It literally isn’t, because it has no impact on whether a fascist gets elected.
So why aren’t you out in Ukraine planning a covert mission to assassinate putin? By not fighting him you have no impact on if a fascist takes over the world.
Its a stupid argument it’s not just yes or no.
you are playing into the fascists game by ignoring the other possibilities.
I’m not claiming I’m helping to eliminate the Russian fascist. You’re claiming your vote is helping to prevent it domestically.
I’m claiming that you can’t blame people who didn’t vote for fascism for fascism.
You are claiming that people who don’t vote how you want them to are helping to bring forth fascism.
following that logic by not fighting in Ukraine you too are giving rise to domestic fascism in that putin could one day become a fascist dictator of America if not stopped.
by not stopping him you too support fascism in America.
Because of the shitty structure of the voting system, people who “didn’t vote for fascism” can, in fact, be supporting the fascist party.
This is a mathematical consequence of the specific type of shitty that our voting system is.
As a supporter of better voting systems, you can realize that.
And then, as a voter, you can look at your district and you can look at the candidates, and you can fucking vote tactically in the way that will, in fact, mathematically, provably reduce the chance of electing a fucking Nazi.
Right now, under the voting system we actually have, if you’re in a purple state and vote for Cornel West, if you are mathematically literate you know you’re helping elect Trump.
That’s just true. Simply true. It’s a consequence of the shitty voting system, but it’s a real consequence. That’s actually how it will happen. It’s not about how you feel in your heart. It’s about whether police are going to drag LGBT+ kids away from their supportive parents. It’s about whether birthright citizenship is retroactively abolished. It’s about whether the January 6 perpetrators get not only pardoned, but appointed to office.
You know the choice you have. It’s a shitty choice, because you and I both know that the first-past-the-post voting system creates shitty choices.
But still … don’t vote for fascism.
Fight the system, the blm protests did help, their only failing wa people didn’t keep up with it the power of the people is not in voting it is collective action in the streets.
phillaholicYou know what is bullshit? Money. A $100 bill and a $1 are the same physical thing. Why should a $100 bill be worth 100 times more than a $1 bill? It’s all the same thing.
But society uses money, I have to play by those rules. I can’t pay five lunch with $1 if they says it’s $20. I have to work in the system even if it sucks.
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