@kayeluvian I’m a Brit with many years of experience living with the NHS and it’s… ok. At best. Sure there are lots of perks but also lots of downsides. These days I live in the Netherlands and although the healthcare is “private” it’s all controlled by the government so you don’t get the price gouging that the US experiences. You get private quality healthcare, low waiting times etc (including dental) but almost never pay out of pocket. I prefer this over the NHS.

@andy_warb is that a result of the type of system (single payer government subsidised insurance) or just the fact that the Dutch government actually give a fuck and invest/maintain/monitor their system properly? I don't mean this to dismiss your point, which I see, more redirect to “is the problem ‘the NHS’ or the bastards in charge, who would very readily screw up a model similar to NL or FR because what they actually want is a US style system because it will make money!”.