TheGreatDarknessHot Take: 5e is too bloated with unnecessary rules and should be simplified
Calling 5e and pf2e bloated with unnecessary rules, meanwhile Pathfinder and 3.5e are quite literally full of a decade’s worth of volumes and modules, in comparison to OSR?
I don’t know if you’re a boomer, a troll, or both
PF2e is a joke. It requires reading the whole rules and planning out a character for multiple levels before making your first character. It gatekeeps the hobby worse than FATAL.
Yeah, PF1 and 3.5e are bloated as hell. But you didn’t need to read all the feats for all the races before picking human fighter. Plus the people still playing those never used everything that was published.
NeroreroLmao, I think you confused pf1 and pf2.
In pf1 you can build yourself into a corner and create useless characters with ease.
In 2e the worst characters are still decent
Nope, I know both. They both suck because of the required over optimization. But pf1 at least didn’t have characters constantly at full hp, which is one of the biggest balance issues.
??? Have you ever played 2e? That shit is perfectly balanced. Just because fights are designed around having full hp doesn’t mean the players always are.
In pf1 you can ruin a character with an uninformed choice, in pf2 you can’t. The gap between minmaxxed or not has become reasonable in my opinion.
iAmTheTotin pf2 you can’t.
I run pf2e and love it, but I really gotta call this out as bullshit. It's actually one of the worst things new people can read about the game, imho. I read this a lot as I was learning the system and parroted it to my players. We're all experienced with TTRPGs, for the record. Despite all the chat from pf2e players that you supposedly cannot ruin a character with bad choices, I assure you it is possible.
It happened to me once, and only because a player wanted to do some stupid shit.
It was still an okayish character.
The others played what sounded cool to them and had no issues.
Relative to pf1 it’s night and day