Anders429dtolnay's Response to the RustConf Keynote Fiasco
teolanThe context that lead DTolnay to write this: lemmy.world/post/4393780
Björkus "No time_t to Die" Dorkus (@[email protected])
Attached: 1 image When someone decides to make up entire bungles of horse shit in their "explanation" and "apology" ( https://archive.ph/Utaz1 ) about the weird shit they did. I want off this fucking ride. "Postpone to 2024"? Present at a "tier 2 conference"? My reasoning is contained directly in my blog post ( https://thephd.dev/i-am-no-longer-speaking-at-rustconf-2023#-huh ). If you're going to fucking lie about me at least try and be fucking accurate about it: “It is also deeply confusing and ultimately insulting for them not to contact me beforehand and simply ask me if I would disclaimer my work to make it clear that they did not explicitly endorse this direction. Multiple times before the RustConf schedule and program was released, I made it obscenely clear that there was not going going to be an RFC for the work I was talking about (“Pre-RFC” is the exact wording I used when talking to individuals involved with Rust Project Leadership), that this might bias folks, and whether or not it would be **okay to do this**. Individuals in contact with me both inside and outside RustConf leadership made it abundantly clearly that this topic was perfectly fine. Furthermore, they had already met to discuss my work **before** hand, so at no point should anyone be confused about what my intentions and goals are.” That someone would try to use game-of-telephone bullshit to make it seem like I deserved to have my keynote outright removed (which was the ACTUAL SUGGESTION given to RustConf, and they changed it to a DOWNGRADE to prevent bigger fallout from Triplett and Tolnay's CLEAR oversteps and, apparently, outright lies here!), or that I was in agreement with such a removal, when I literally took the required time to make a proper assessment of the situation and respond like an ADULT, is some WILD nonsense! Is this a common Rust Project occurrence? Do people just do this ALL THE TIME? WHAT IS GOING ON OVER THERE?! Edit: added some fucking alt-text because I'm so fucking annoyed at this bullshit.
Is there really a “fiasco” because somebody can’t hold a talk? Am I getting this right?
I think people consider it a fiasco because of the amount of backlash, drama, and accusations that surrounded it. The whole thing showed failures in the way things were decided and communicated as well.
KogasaNo, not really.
Months ago, there was a fiasco because somebody’s keynote talk was suddenly and inexplicably downgraded to a regular talk because the Rust Project “did not want to endorse” the talk, despite nominating and encouraging the speaker in the first place. This resulted in the speaker withdrawing their talk. thephd.dev/i-am-no-longer-speaking-at-rustconf-20…
Currently there is a fiasco because it turns out (one of?) the voices behind the inexplicable decision to downgrade the talk was dtolnay, lead Serde developer, who recently came under fire for publishing precompiled proc macro binaries in Serde and his response to the ensuing criticism. The perception is that dtolnay, who has done lots of work with proc macros and made several detailed suggestions as to their future in Rust, quashed the RustConf talk because he disagreed with the premise of the talk in favor of his own ideas about macros.
Thank you for the context. That was a good summary.
cerementI’m not really sensing contrition here. For those who don’t know, contrition is the part of an apology where the apologizers commit to changing something about themselves, improving who they are as people, so that the trespass is not repeated in the future. Without contrition, dtolnay will do this again.