MicroWaveSep 3, 2023

1 death reported at Burning Man while festival attendees remain stuck in the Nevada desert from heavy rains

https://lemmy.world/post/4368856

1 death reported at Burning Man while festival attendees remain stuck in the Nevada desert from heavy rains - Lemmy.world

As thousands of people remain unable to leave the Burning Man festival in the Nevada desert after heavy rains inundated their campsites with ankle-deep mud Saturday, authorities say they are investigating a death at the event. Attendees were told to shelter in place in the Black Rock Desert and conserve food, water and fuel after a rainstorm swamped the area, forcing officials to halt any entering or leaving of the festival. The remote area in northwest Nevada was hit with 2 to 3 months worth of rain – up to 0.8 inches – in just 24 hours between Friday and Saturday mornings. The heavy rainfall fell on dry desert grounds, whipping up thick, clay-like mud that festivalgoers say is too difficult to walk or bike through.

Show threadFlying SquidSep 3, 2023
I hate to sound callous, but I don’t feel much sympathy for a rich person who went out to the desert to pretend to be a hippie and didn’t check the weather forecast.
Show threadFecundpossumSep 3, 2023

I used to run in a party crowd that had a LOT of burning man folks in it. There were a couple of them that had middle class incomes, maybe even leaning upper middle class. Those are usually the ones that had an art car or whatever that they sank some money into, instead of the crap that most upper middle class Americans blow their money on.

But the rest of them? They worked at restaurants, did massage therapy, teachers, etc. normal people with median or lower incomes that would forego other expenses to set aside a little a money for their annual get high in the desert trip.

Yes, there’s a bunch of elitists at the core of the event, but it’s not the majority.

Show threadpandarangSep 3, 2023
This year's BRC census.
Burning Man Has Gotten Richer, Queerer, Slightly Less White

The annual Black Rock City Census data is out for 2022, and it paints a picture of the desert festival getting marginally more diverse than it was a decade ago, and a fair bit less traditionally heterosexual.

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Show threadKbobabobSep 3, 2023
TLDR: The trend of wealthy people is going up while the less wealthy trends down.
Show threadunderiskSep 3, 2023
The other takeaway is that more than half the attendees make more than 100k a year so not exactly a minority.
Show threadCoreidanSep 3, 2023
100k salary is a decent amount of money but it’s far as fuck from being “rich”.
Show threadunderiskSep 3, 2023
If 100k isn’t rich to you then you have lived an exceptionally blessed life.
Show threadblargererSep 3, 2023
How rich you are on 100k really depends on where you live.
Show threadunderisk
Tell that to people making less than 30k and describe the look they give you
Sep 3, 2023 at 12:47pmWeb
Show threadbassomitronSep 3, 2023
100k in a place like NYC is literally living like someone making 30-45k in some rural town.
Show threadunderiskSep 3, 2023
What about the people in NYC making 30k then?
Show threadCaptainAnikiSep 3, 2023
That’s not a thing
Show threadunderiskSep 3, 2023
The average salary in NYC is 36k
Show threadhuginnSep 3, 2023

www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/--in-New-York

Top Earners $79,250 $38 75th Percentile $63,693 $31 Average $50,800 $24 25th Percentile $37,907 $18
Show threadunderiskSep 3, 2023

How long did you shop around for statistics that didn’t just cite US census data?

datacommons.org/place/geoId/3651000/?utm_medium=e…

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Show threadhuginnSep 3, 2023

  • Top result in Google

  • That’s individual income not household

    • Household income is the stat that matters.

    If you’re gonna be a dick, be right.

    Show threadunderiskSep 3, 2023
    Why is household income relevant when the burning man statistic is for individual salary?
    Show threadCaptainAnikiSep 3, 2023

    citation?

    88k - here’s my citation.

    www.payscale.com/research/US/…/Salary

    New York, New York Salary | PayScale

    New York, New York - Salary - Get a free salary comparison based on job title, skills, experience and education. Accurate, reliable salary and compensation comparisons for New York, New York, United States

    Show threadhuginnSep 3, 2023

    For the most part: they’re doing better than you’d expect (ie homeless) given that they’ll generally be living somewhere rent controlled.

    They’re still in abject poverty by comparison. It’s like somebody living in a trailer park on 5k a year.

    But no matter how you shake it out and keep whataboutisming people the fact is that 100k a year is the new 50k in a lot of US cities where average rents are well above 2.5k/mo.

    The national median rent is 24k/yr.

    In 2016 that was 11k/yr

    100k doesn’t mean what you think it does anymore. In nyc 100k means you can maybe live alone in a 1br (2.7k/mo) without a car, but not downtown (4.1k/mo). You’ll be commuting 30ish minutes and be able to have a rainy day fund. You’ll pocket about 60k/yr after taxes, after rent you’ll have 24k/yr to spend on food in the most expensive city in the USA. You’ll be able to shop at discount stores to make that money go a bit further. You’ll go to dive bars to try and get $5 drinks instead of $15. You’ll make your own coffee.

    It’s a nice life. If that sounds like rich to you then the billionaires have brainwashed you. It’s a lower middle class lifestyle.

    If that sounds like wealth to you

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    Show threadFabledAepitaphSep 3, 2023
    The brainwashing is real. So many people are so poor that they don’t believe you can be poor unless you’re absolutely destitute and on the edge of homelessness each month. This 100k/year lifestyle should be afforded by minimum wage, tbh.
    Show threadunderiskSep 3, 2023

    You guys keep bringing up cost of living like it’s some cool trick that lets you claim poverty while making nearly three times the local average salary.

    If Bill Gates spent most of his fortune to live like a college freshman in a space station would you be calling him middle class? It would cost him several times an average Americans yearly salary just to eat puréed meats and shit in a closet, so clearly he couldn’t be considered rich anymore.

    Show threadhuginnSep 3, 2023

    claim poverty

    Who the fuck claimed poverty. I claimed it’s a middle class lifestyle.

    It’s not rich.

    If Bill Gates

    More whattaboutism and strawmen

    Show threadunderiskSep 3, 2023
    Yeah man any attempt to illustrate a point with hyperbole and metaphor is clearly just whattaboutism. Do you think middle class people aren’t seen as rich to people who are below middle class?
    Show threadRoboticideSep 3, 2023

    “Poverty” means not having enough money to meet basic needs. “Cost of living” is defined as the minimum money needed to meet basic needs. It’s not just relevant to the discussion, it is the discussion.

    Someone living in Idaho can own a house on $70k. Someone living in NYC is homeless on $70k.

    If the local average is four times lower than the cost of living in a local area, the people making three times the local average are still feeling the effects of poverty. It’s not a competition to see who is “more poor,” it’s a fight for a living wage regardless of where you live.

    It’s not a complicated concept.

    Show threadVery_Bad_JanetSep 4, 2023

    You guys keep bringing up cost of living like it’s some cool trick that lets you claim poverty while making nearly three times the local average salary.

    No one in the comments above yours has said that $100k/yr is poverty. They are making the claim that someone making $100k/yr is not rich. There is a difference between poor and rich.

    To me being rich is being able to afford practically anything. An annual salary does not buy that. In the US, a $100k salary affords you a middle class or upper middle class lifestyle. In San Francisco, a $200k salary qualifies you for subsidized housing. Location and COL matters. If it didn't, people wouldn't deliberately move to lower cost of living places where they can afford more and better things.

    Show threadKachildeSep 3, 2023
    Then just move to the suburbs where your 100k is worth more… and where the 100k jobs don’t exist… or the commute to the 100k jobs is over an hour each way… dummy
    Show threadZodiacSF1969Sep 4, 2023
    I suddenly have the urge to tell you how much I make just to piss you off.
    Show threadnjm1314Sep 5, 2023
    As one of those people you are presuming to speak for, no, I wouldn’t consider 100k rich. I find that to be an absurd statement.