jacawSuddenly seeing more hexbear posts. Did we re-federate with them?
Pretty disappointing that @iamaqtpie is active on hexbear and says things like:
Please direct any seething that you may wish to do to the struggle session that’s well underway over here.
which reddit considered hate speech 🙄
It’s clear that sh.itjust.works does not care to get community support in it’s decision making and we are left at the whims of the admins preferences.
Also disappointing that hexbear gets to vote federation, while we are left to federate to hexbear without a choice because the admins like the instance. Lame.
Freeanotherday [he/him, they/them]Also disappointing that hexbear gets to vote federation, while we are left to federate to hexbear without a choice because the admins like the instance. Lame.
We are just better at democracy then you, sweety.
goatChina isn’t democratic
When asked whether they believe their country is democratic, those in China topped the list, with some 83% saying the communist-led People’s Republic was a democracy. A resounding 91% said that democracy is important to them.
But in the U.S., which touts itself as a global beacon of democracy, only 49% of those asked said their country was a democracy. And just over three-quarters of respondents, 76%, said democracy was important.
newsweek.com/most-china-call-their-nation-democra…
Ya I will take the people of china’s word on this one.
yes and North Korea is democratic because it says they are.
China is not North Korea.
It took you less then 2 minutes from my post for you to reply. You clearly didn’t even open the link. You just instantly changed the subject matter. Lol
Ah, hexbear users still struggling with federation, so cute!
Post times are different per instance, my he/him, I looked through your article, and it didn’t really wow me.
China is authoritarian, filled with mass propaganda and nationalism, of course they’re going to think they’re great.
Ah, hexbear users still struggling with federation, so cute!
Post times are different per instance, my he/him, I looked through your article, and it didn’t really wow me.
I literally got notification when they reply… in real time…
I know when I made my comment… less then 2 minutes before I got a notification…
Tell me more about how the lemmy works. I have only been here 4 years.
Good bye, agent.
oh SHIT. THEY’RE ONTO ME.
filled with mass propaganda and nationalism
Yo we got that too in America.
Oh every country has it!
Good thing you’re immune to it!
So why is that what makes China so bad? Like most things China is accused doing of the US has done worse.
It’s about the levels of freedoms.
Oh, like the freedom the US provides for me to die homeless in a ditch because I can’t afford my cancer treatments? Rah rah USA!
yes, the US is also shit, well done
You said:
It’s about the levels of freedoms.
I explain via personal example why the level of freedom is better in China and your response is “yes, the US is also shit.” Well done indeed.
Can you follow conversations irl, or are you just like this right now because it’s hard for you to have your prejudices shown to be full of shit?
what, were you expecting me to defend the US?
Well, let’s just say it wouldn’t have surprised me. But I wasn’t expecting you to just readily concede that the US’s “level of freedom” is no better than that of China. Especially right after you just used that as a reason why China was “bad,” specifically when compared to the US. But if you really are able to see that now, congrats, for real.
That’s why I said levels of freedom.
Is the US freer? Yes, unmistakably, you can criticise officials and you have more expression. Is it as free as most wealthy nations? No, not quite.
Ok, well that is something. I think that’s good that you recognize the freedom for the average working class person in China to live as healthy of a life as possible without concern for how much money they have or without concern for becoming homeless (like people constantly do in the US). But that you think that is less free than the US, which is “unmistakably freer” because in China there’s a possibility you could get reprimanded for criticizing the state… well I think that speaks to some really fucked up priorities. But ok.
Except the State can take anything and everything away from you whenever they want, which happens in China, quite regularly if you’re an activist. In the US, they can also do this, true, but at the risk of causing mass civil disobedience, rioting, and protesting.
Fact remains is that these are both deeply flawed countries where it’s wealth over health. In your opinion, what’s a good country we should all strive to be like?
Not according to the people I’ve known from China who have told me that the state almost never does anything like that to individuals (excepting billionaires who used their money to harm people) but will crack down on corporations, and that is just the opposite of what the US does. Look at the founding members of the BLM movement in Ferguson. Murdered. Wasn’t one ruled a suicide who had two shots to the back of their skull with their car set on fire while they were in it? Or Fred Hampton of the Black Panthers who was shot to death in his hotel room bed by cops? I think you have it a little backwards. But yes, both countries are flawed (one much more than the other if you’re just a regular person and not a billionaire).
As for your last question, that’s easy. Cuba.
Do you have sources for those death claims?
Fred Hampton’s murder is common knowledge, you can just google it (and keep in mind the US propaganda machine bias with that, but it’s even still not in question the cops just bust down the door and blew him away in bed). As for the BLM founders, a quick search also brought up theguardian.com/…/ferguson-protest-leader-darren-… and rollingstone.com/…/ferguson-death-mystery-black-l…
There’s also Obama setting the precedent for having US citizens accused of being terrorists murdered without trial in drone strikes. And consider whistleblowers like Snowden and Assange, the latter will almost certainly be killed if extradited back to the US and has already been tortured severely. Look into even just the stuff the CIA has itself admitted to, it’s heinous.
I’m well aware that the US is evil. However I’m still on the fence about the US government sanctioning the assassinations of the BLM founders.
It was probably state or local cops who murdered the BLM founders, but it was clearly coordinated assassinations. But no offense, you’re still being a bit naive if you think those kinds of targeted assassinations don’t happen, sometimes (if not most of the time) with the go-ahead from the very top. Even when it’s not from the top, it’s still US government killings.
And how about the mass killings of scientists and doctors during Covid?
www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52568716
nytimes.com/…/covid-china-doctor-li-wenliang.html
www.nytimes.com/…/china-obits-covid.html
Surely we can come to the agreement that both of these nations are evil fuckers, no?
You already did with your ‘levels of freedom’ remark, we’re expecting you to explain your defense now.
may i do it later? i’m a tired goat, I gotta sleep dude!
Levels of freedom by what metric? Prisoner population? Oh wait, let me guess, skin pigmentation?
Mentioned this already. Scroll down pal
AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]More democratic than the US. The US has an electoral college system explicitly designed to make electing a president undemocratic. In Korea they vote for each equivalent of a cabinet position instead of letting the president just appoint all of them. www.ncnk.org/…/DPRK constitution (2019).pdf
Way to compare one of the least free countries with… one of the least free countries.
now do Japan.
To the degree that Korea isn’t free, it’s is because they’ve spent their entire existence at war with the largest and most powerful global empire in history and have been cut off from international trade.
The US isn’t free because it’s a fascist state. The Korean peninsula isn’t free also because the US is a fascist state.
Now let’s hear your next vapid quip that’s supposed to mean more than objective facts and inarguable history, redditor.
So the US is fascist, but China isn’t fascist? How’s that lil’ diddie work?
Lol you did the vapid quip thing
How is the country that inspired Hitler’s entire ideology fascist? How is a state run by a communist party not fascist?
Wow really dealing with the reddit brain trust here, aren’t I?
The US inspired Hitler? Really now? How’s that one work?
This would have the content of an actually valuable conversation if you could figure out how to ask questions without making their purpose to come off as incredulous and incurious as you are right now.
It’s literally in Mein Kampf. Lebensraum is explicitly intended to be a mirroring of the US doing westward expansion into land held by native tribes. In his writings he made the comparison all the time. It’s not a secret unless you had an American education.
He cites Manifest Destiny as what the German people should do to eastern Europe and allegedly based the brownshirts on the KKK.
Do you have a source?
Original brainchild for Lebensraum explicitly points to Manifest Destiny: encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/…/lebensraum. You can slap “lebensraum” and “manifest destiny” into google and also see the results for yourself. I admit say I’m not a well of primary nazi sources if that doesn’t satisfy you.
Oh, interesting, thank you!
Zyklon B was used to “delouse” Mexican immigrants at the southern border before it was ever used in Nazi death camps.
IBM built the computers that Germany used to track their Jewish population.
Not that I don’t believe you, because America was initially cozying up to the US, but may you please send sources?
The citation wasn’t the state, it was the people, or are you going to take such an immensely condescending attitude towards the approximately 1 billion people represented in that survey as believing they live in a democracy?
Oh man if only we could interact with these 1 billion people. If only there wasn’t a firewall keeping them all contained where all their media is run by the state.
Anyone can download a VPN it’s literally free on the App store. 👍
Aw sweet!
now why do we need a VPN to access Chinese Internet? 🤔
150 million tourists visit China yearly…
hey, respond to the vpn comment you made
Right away. It might take a few hours due to server time differences.
Whataboutism
oh you not gonna whataboutism mentioning the US?
Also whataboutism
Flinch [he/him]of course, why would we ever take those asiatic bugpeople at their word, they could never know what democracy is. I’m sad that they will never experience TRUE democracy, where 9 unelected appointed-for-life justices make life-altering decisions with 0 citizen input, THATs the path to Freedom
yes, the united states is not a democracy either, well done
That’s a bit of a non-sequitur in this instance don’t you think? We’re not talking about what the name of a place is, but rather how the two countries’ citizenry feel about their governments.
So isn’t it good that the US people don’t trust their government?
I wish that US people didn’t trust their government, especially when their government tells them that other countries are pure evil and need bombing.
do you wish Chinese people did the same?