vuranfixed cyberghost's "meme"
NocturnalMorningThis is the way
AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]Leaked chart of what tankies use to determine whether an ideology is socialist or not.
On top (labeled okay) are state capitalism with red paint (CCP) and absolute monarchy with red paint (DPRK) while on the bottom (labeled not okay) are anarcho-communism, social democracy and trotskyism.
It’s about people’s skin color. I’m calling you a racist. Not helping your cause with ‘cee cee pee’ either.
White people are socialist and good when they have capitalism but offer some social programs with taxes. Brown and yellow people who dispossess slave owners of their land and redistribute it are fascists with red paint.
Why is it that extremists like you perpetuate the yellow = racism thing far more than anyone else?
GenderIsOpSec [she/her, kit/kit's]you are actually the racist for pointing out my racism
has this take ever worked for you chuds? take a long walk off a short pier.
You were the only one who used the term. You might’ve been calling someone else out, but you did it using racist terminology that no one else was using. In doing so you sacrificed the high ground you’re attempting to lord over from.
When I first saw a hexbear user say it, it took me a moment to figure out what they meant. I was like “oh yeah, yellow was a racist way of referring to Asian people, from like 50 years ago”. Way to keep racism alive, congratulations.
In doing so they sacrificed the high ground they’re attempting to lord over from.
Every accusation a confession.
“oh yeah, yellow was a racist way of referring to Asian people, from like 50 years ago”.
Yeah and you obviously haven’t read anything about race for 50 years
I’m Chinese, and I live in a country town in the West.
Trust me, it’s not Hexbear keeping racism alive.
I’ve been called yellow on multiple, multiple occasions. Do you actually think white people have ceased calling us yellow???
50 years ago? Try last month.
AOCapitulator [they/them, she/her]I hope you always feel embarrassed about this moment, holy shit I can’t believe you posted this
somename [she/her]Damn, you are so fucking smart.
You sound like the kind of white person who would lecture black people on the use of the N-word.
I met a Hexbear in person once, they were DISGUSTING and VILE They smelled like beans and mushrooms and when I shook their hand they gave me a small rat and told me it was “one for the road”.
They had green skin like a goblin and had a shirt that said “Xi is my god”.
I didn’t feel safe. Be careful out there, and lock your doors too because I hear they steal your passive income.
Socialism with Tom Bombadil characteristics
Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]it was not a small rat it was biggs
Gelamzer [he/him]Do you even know how that meme works
axont [she/her, comrade/them]Literally nowhere on earth has any substantial Trotskyites outside of maybe the UK and scattered parts of America. The closest thing to Trotskite revolutions were some contingents of the Spanish Civil War and one very odd Posadist group mentioned by Che during the Cuban Revolution. You’re allowed to like Trotsky’s writings, that’s fine, but Trostkyism itself isn’t anything of a serious movement.
state capitalism with red paint (CCP) You know so much about them you haven’t even seen their name written out in English once.
“What do you mean I don’t know anything about politics in the United American States?! I know all about the Party of the Republic and the Democracy Party!”
ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]
btbt [he/him]Oh shit it’s the person from the original meme
Oh shit it’s the person from the edited meme
you’re a fucking fascist but this is funny.
and yes i am the person from the original meme.
also part-time NCDer
strike two
AcidSmiley [she/her]It’s funny that somebody who has made his account on here entirely to spread anti-communist propaganda calls other people a fascist. You’re equating the people who built Auschwitz with those who liberated it, you’re effectively a holocaust denier and a nazi. Eat shit and die, you fascist pig with your transparent wrecking attempts.
You’re equating the people who built Auschwitz with those who liberated it
And then went on to commit a ton of their own genocide. I can't believe you actually used this as an excuse to not call them facists.
Only one who should eat shit and die is stupid ignorant facists tankies like you.
a lot of people in this thread should be thrown into volcanos to please the economy
What makes them a fascist, genuine question? I looked through their profile but couldn’t find anything that would make me think they’re fascist, just edgy Leftist humor. Do you say that simply just because they’re on hexbear?
And what do you politically identify as? I could find even less about you to understand any of your politics.
I haven’t seen any fascists, as far as I’m aware, on hexbear but I hate fascism so I’d be willing to agree with you if you can explain.
The only open-ish fascist I have seen on lemmy in a while was that dude on the Japan thread sneering about third world immigrants ruining society
Hmmm. Doesn’t sound like the kinds of ideas that Japan would be open towards.
NCDer
What does this mean I’ve never heard of it
Non credible defense, shitposting about military stuff
thanks!
oatscoopNon-credible defense. It’s a millitary/conflict themed shit-posting community that started on on Reddit
The most active NCD lemmy community is on [email protected]
Wait, this person who is bragging about going on a forum for praising NATO and war crimes is telling us we’re not socialist enough?
What? I’ve lost the plot.
TheLastHero [he/him]chronic social democratic brain syndrome. This one appears terminal. They’ll support imperialism and anti-communism until they’re executed by fascists anyway for being a tankie
What is imperialism to you? Is it when countries around the world put Russian imperialism in check? Should we be praising Russia for liberating Ukraine by blowing up maternity wards and hospitals? Should we just let Holodomor v2.0 occur?
As always, such a hot take from Hexbear.
carl_marks_1312 [comrade/them]Imperialism is when war, the more war the imperialister it is
villagevoice.com/in-search-of-a-soviet-holocaust/
wilsoncenter.org/…/holocaust-revisionism-ultranat…
Read more than Wikipedia
Ok. I already do but thanks for the tip.
You clearly don’t.
Should we just let Holodomor v2.0 occur?
Stop spreading holocaust denial
NATO is leftist now, didn’t you hear? China and all the gross non-white countries are fascists, and NATO and all the nice clean white countries are based and leftist!!!
Slow down there buddy
bloubzUntil you understand what socialism is?
Anyone that learns what socialism really means and then thinks it is a bad thing must be selfish and self centered. There is no alternative, you either don’t get it or you believe society should continue to hold “certain people” down for the uplifting of “us”
MxM111Socialism is based on public ownership of means of manufacturing. In order to shift to socialism in foreseeable future and in the past, it requires forceful removal of private property and converting it into public, since I can not imagine that all people would do this voluntarily (and they did not do that voluntarily historically). So, yes, you require forceful state, a dictatorship. Soviets openly called that “dictatorship of the working class” when they were nationalizing means of production. That included by the way farmers who used seasonally hired labour. They fought to destroy those farms and farmers were treated as enemy to socialism. Ukrainian Holodomor that killed millions of people is a good example of such fight.
So, before blank-calling other people self-centered and selfish, maybe you should learn a bit more about socialism and its history?
Did you just say the Holodomor was a good fight ☠️
Good example, dammit!
You’re talking about the “tankie” type of communism. Don’t worry, it’s a fairly common mistake.
I am talking about socialism as it existed in history. If you have another historical example where all the means of productions were public, you are welcome to educate me.
Monroe ensured there are no historic examples. We (USA) destabilized entire continents just to keep it from being established democratically.
rustyfishHoly shit you’re so fucking wrong. Great example for „much text doesn’t equal right“. Usually tankies do this kind of shit. Huh.
Your post contains zero arguments about any position. Just letting you know.
Holodomor was a genocide perpetuated by fascists against the working class of an unfavored nationality to benefit the favored nationality. It’s a great example of why you redfash aren’t socialists.
Quite sure this is not what happen. The Soviets were trying to build socialism via the process of collectivization. While some argue that it was also a process of suppression of Ukrainian nationalism, the collectivization was the official policy at the time in the whole USSR and it destroyed lots of farmers everywhere, and killed or sent to exile huge amount of farmers and their families. Ukraine was affected more since it was primarily agricultural with strong farmer class. But hunger and deaths from hunger were common in other agricultural regions too, just to less extend than in Ukraine. In any case, this is what the process of collectivization did, the process of building socialism. Farmers do not want to give up the means of production - hence the forced collectivization.
But my main point that calling selfish those who against socialism because they know about these historical examples is just wrong.
It’s exactly what happened; your regurgitation of redfash propaganda does nothing to change that.
While I don’t particularly agree with the example you’ve given, the idea is correct. In order to have any kind of system (especially at its inception), you need to have authoritarianism of some sort, and in the modern liberal democratic countries, this authoritarianism is in the form of the law and police, who protect private property so capitalists can do their thing.
When it comes to socialism, in almost every case it was done via a military dictatorship, and it’s rather hard to tell if this was done because everyone was copying the big ‘socialist’ countries like soviet union or china, or if dictatorships are the most practical way to do so. With dictatorships there’s a substantial risk of putting someone in power who’s just an opportunist and wants all the power above all else like Stalin, or having a party that doesn’t really care to bring on communism and it turns into oligarchy.
However, it’s not all dictators - Paris Commune was a revolution that had the dictatorship of proletariat, as in the dictator was the working class, and while it failed, it definitely was on the right track, at least in my opinion. You minimize the risks of having a singular dictator, but to succeed you need to have the majority of people on board with the idea, which is a tall order especially today where any talk of socialism is met by misinformed skepticism and years of anti-communist propaganda by the liberal democracy world.