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moonsnotrealI’m probably gonna go vegetarian but I love dairy too much to go vegan
🐑🇸 🇭 🇪 🇪 🇵 🇱 🇪🐑That’s fair. Cutting out meat is already making an intense impact and don’t let purists tell you otherwise.
commieCutting out meat is already making an intense impact
i doubt it.
Beef costs 60 kg of co2 to produce 1 kg of meat. Fruits an plants still release carbon in the production, but much less.
People underestimate just how intensely wasteful meat is, at least the average meat you find in a grocery store. There is a few exceptions like fishing it yourself but even that is getting unfeasible with how high demand is in the general population
first, i am suspicious of those numbers, and don’t think they tell teh whole story.
even if they did, cutting out meat from my diet would have no impact at all.
Your skepticism based on nothing. Giving them your money supports their negative impact.
i know for a fact that a meat eater died ten years ago. since then, the meat production has only risen. i could literally die and never buy another animal product, and it would not change the industry.
Of course spending trends affect the market. Meat processing facilities are slowly closing all over.
Not that this bullshit, empty-headed comment warranted a reply.
Meat processing facilities are slowly closing all over.
it’s probably just firm consolidation, not a decrease in production.
I would never click a link from a bad faith arguement in my life. The meat industry is hurting and you’re a weak little pawn.
your accusation of bad faith is, itself, bad faith.
our world in data is a vast resource paid for by the FAO, which itself is paid for by the UN. if you don’t want to trust CIA propaganda, i tend to agree, but i don’t know of any other resource that totals agricultural output globally.
it’s just a chart. i don’t know why you’re afraid.
That’s ok. There are more than enough sources to learn about it. When you are ready, you are going to do it.
your snide condescension isn’t persuasive
Are you open to being persuaded?
yes, but I am also highly skeptical, so you’d need proof, not rhetoric.
Which, as they said, are readily available if you actually wanted to learn.
I’ve looked and I don’t find the facts support the claim above, but maybe there are facts I haven’t found
Put the words “cutting out meat impact” into Google and you will get these links in your first few results, so I’m not sure how you struggled to find them:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-59232599
theguardian.com/…/avoiding-meat-and-dairy-is-sing…
all four of those are just rehashing the poore nemecek paper and editorializing without the rigor of peer review. they are extrapolating far beyond the scope of the actual article and drawing conclusions that are not justified in teh paper itself.
Animal agriculture uses a disproportionately large portion of habitable land per calorie (or gram of protein even) ourworldindata.org/land-use
The top drivers of deforestation are beef production and soy (70-75% of which is used for animal feed worldwildlife.org/…/what-are-the-biggest-drivers-…
Animal agriculture is a main driver of antibiotic resistant strains if bacteria, something the WHO calls “an increasingly serious threat to global public health that requires action across all government sectors and society.” pmc/articles/PMC4638249/
that doesn’t show that cutting out meat for my diet would have any impact at all. You’re just talking about impacts the industry has. I already understand the industry has impacts. I’m saying that my diet doesn’t change that.
That’s a bad faith argument then. You’re saying:
The only thing that would convince you is an impossible to test hypothetical.
You understand the industry causes severe environmental damage, but you’ll continue to support that same industry.
I haven’t made any arguments at all. I just don’t believe things without proof.
Just buy eco eggs and milk if they are available. Those fuckers will torture the animals to the brink of killing them.
We call em Öko over here and they tend to be available in every supermarket.
Organic milk and eggs do jack for the animal’s wellbeing - they are still being bred and tortured (and killed) for our pleasure. Having half a square meter more to themselves does not change this fact.
If you live in a country like the USA you can already buy non-animal dairy! Unfortunately it’s illegal where I live (thanks to the Green party) but a lot of dairy companies think it’s the future as it has a fraction of the environmental impact and none of the cruelty associated with industrial cattle farming.