jacawSuddenly seeing more hexbear posts. Did we re-federate with them?
I don’t mind the general hexbear ideology in itself. Sure. You do you.
But, damn, I see more than a few of its members just being obnoxious.
Bakzik [he/him, comrade/them]I won’t call debunking imperialist propaganda from the west, and dunking on racist and ableist users, “obnoxious”.
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Mate. That’s not the obnoxious part. Posts like this are the obnoxious part.
dude’s trolling. There’s no way tankies use that image, that is one of the most cringe things i’ve ever seen in my life
Have you browsed Hexbear? This ain’t trolling.
Lol what an absolute clusterfuck.
sharedburdens [she/her, comrade/them]Not liking ablism and racism is an in-joke?
This is why ya’ll can get fucked, I’m tired of seeing this garbage in my feed.
Yeah, mate. That’s the in-joke I’m referring to. [sarcasm tone indicator, cuz some of y’all need it]
A reasonable person can infer that’s not where my issues stem from.
All this tells me is that Hexbear folks get their jollies from trying to provoke people with weird stretches.
“You don’t like some of our users?? Wow, you’re pro-rascism and ablelist!”
It’s not cute.
AOCapitulator [they/them, she/her][sarcasm tone indicator, cuz some of y’all need it]
Yeah! Fuck people who need tone indicators, we shouldn’t be inclusive to those people
[sarcasm tone indicator, cuz some of y’all need it]
You know what it’s not cute? Discrimination. In this case, your ableism.
We call out the ableism and racism of some users of this instance. That’s the real reason of your “obnoxious” feeling, regarding the Hexbear users. Our zero tolerance to hate.
Scrath a liberal, and a fascist/racist bleeds.
Egon [they/them]You present needing tone indicators as a negative. Why is that?
You present needing tone indicators as a negative.
I understand that this is bait and definitely not good-faith, but I’ll bite anyway.
Because I know that a lot of Lemmy users are ND, and, being ND myself, I wanted to emphasize the need for my tone to be understood by everyone.
Didn’t realize it could even be viewed as a “negative” until you said something.
Hey thank you for your response!
It was indeed bait, because I thought you saw being ND as a negative, from the way you phrases your statement. I am glad to hear it was me that misunderstood you.
I’ve just seen a few too many use it as a way to demean others.
It was indeed bait, because I thought you saw being ND as a negative, from the way you phrases your statement. I am glad to hear it was me that misunderstood you.
I’ve just seen a few too many use it as a way to demean others.
I cannot see externally hosted images, as this feature has been removed due to issues with CSAM attacks
Also: the fact that Hexbear users are making a point to go tone-policing after calling anyone who makes even the slightest criticism against them “racist” and “ableist” should tip y’all off that Hexbear is almost purely a troll instance.
Plenty of criticism is handled without pointing out racist language, because that criticism does not contain racist language.
Bigotry is boiled into a large amount of our day-to-day verbage, and sometimes we become blind to it. Adding the suffix -tard to words for example has become common, but it is still tied to hurtful and demeaning language.
Suggesting someone “sucks a dick” is a common insult, but the insult here is the implication that the other person engages in sexual relations with a man, which is presented as a negative. While we do not think of this in the moment, that is still the root of the insult.
Such language is not tolerated on hexbear, and as a result users have gotten very perceptive of it. Could they be nicer at pointing it out? Certainly, at times it’s a fair mistake to make. But being frustrated at having it pointed out is silly, just as it is silly to continue using that language after having pointed out it’s problematic aspects.
This stuff is pointed out regardless of a user agreeing or disagreeing with another user - it is in fact unrelated to it.
I sadly cannot see externally hosted images, but I assume it was some example refuting my claim. If it was of my own response to you: As I’ve already said, at times people are too quick on the jump, but you must be able to see how your post could be interpreted as using tone indicators as something negative, right?
Don’t apologize while still trying to insist you were right all along.
AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]Racist: "FUCK YOU I’M NOT RACIST THAT’S AN ATTACK AGAINST ME
Non Racist: “Oh shit, I’m sorry. What did I say and why was it wrong?”
Good, fuck off back to your own fork, authoritarian.
I think it’s authoritarian for America to constantly coup and bomb other countries, back business-friendly puppet governments that sell off national resources for pennies, and provide military assistance to 73% of the world’s dictatorships, and I think it’s weird that most American liberal politicians, journalists, and media personalities go along with it. I guess it makes sense when you look at who funds them.
I remember during the attempted coup in Venezuela, even John Oliver, Stephen Colbert, and AOC supported it. No one ever seemed to mention or care about the US sanctions crippling the Venezuelan economy. It was always Venezuelan incompetence, never American economic warfare or coordinated capitalist hoarding, that kept food off the shelves, if you listened to American television.
I love Mate, yerba mate.
France.
I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I don’t see you being “obnoxious” about the racist and ableist users in your home instance. So we could say that you have less acceptance of the inclusive and open to discussion (in goof faith) instance users, than the hate lovers users of yours. Of course, I don’t want to generalize. I saw a bunch of cool users in here
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god sure do love that you can clutter the comments with this garbage. i really wonder why people wanna get you losers out of their communities…
Hey, Hexbear users? Can y’all send in a better representative to do damage control?
I really want to like y’all, but damn.
Still no opinion on your fellow ableist and racist users?
I challenge you to find one of those in our instance.
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I love my instance so much. See ya, racist.
I had no opinion on hexbear coming into this thread. Now I’d be absolutely fine with hexbear being defederated.
Holy shit are y’all just the most annoying group of self righteous sea lions.
somename [she/her]What is it you hate about Hexbear specifically?
Abraxiel [any]Probably shit like this.
Me asking you a question is what you hate?
Gelamzer [he/him]
pelespiritLMAO, that was actually funny.
The people.
ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]Loud and clear, a damage specialist will be with you shortly to inflict more damage
But not initiating a thread by going out of your way to insult a swath of people. It’s replying to it with anything but meek deference that’s obnoxious. Just let everyone know ahead of time that you’re the main character and we need to treat you special.
YeetPicsAll your problems are the fault of white western libs.
We are so dunked on.
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“America bad looool I just debunked imperialist propoganda”
Is just about the highest IQ take I’ve seen out of hexbear. Ya’ll got that cult-like disconnection from reality.
Also when there was a user in unixporn yesterday asking what words will replace “ricing” now that it’s entered social consciousness that the term has a racially based origin, a hexbear jumped in to say it’s now going to be called “crackering”.
Wow, dunked on that racism so hard.
It was so racist of that user to better themselves and replace a racial work with a non-racial word. Good thing we have hexbear to help out.
Having had a disagreement with you in another thread and seen you mischaracterize it as “supporting the rape of innocent women and children” to someone else, I’m fairly confident that if anyone has a cult-like disconnection from reality, it’s likely you.
If someone tells me it’s bad to be anti-racism, or that systemic racism isn’t real, I’m of course going to say they support racism.
Your position was that it’s bad to help Ukrainians defend their families from being raped because it damages worker solidarity. Yeah, you’re not going around raping anyone yourself, you simply supporting the system in which it occurs.
And I don’t think supporting the system of rape is intentional on your part either. I think you’re anti-America (which is good) to the point that you’ll be apologetic towards rape (which is bad), as long as it means you keep being anti-America.
Your position was that it’s bad to help Ukrainians defend their families from being raped because it damages worker solidarity
No, actually I was articulating someone else’s perspective, which was that advocating for greater conflict as retribution for rape is misguided, and I think it’s a reasonable perspective and not, as you and others were suggesting, evidence of faux leftism.
But good-faith representations of perspectives you disagree with doesn’t seem to be one of your strengths.
No, actually I was articulating someone else’s perspective
Someone else as in a real person?
Or a hypothetical person you made up in your head?
Does knowing who’s perspective it is really change your opinion of it? Or are you asking so you know who you can accuse of being a Russian apologist?
If it stands up to your scrutiny then I wouldn’t think it matters.
I’ve talked to too many covert Nazis who will say, “Oh, I don’t believe that Jews secretly control the world, I’m just here to tell you that some people believe it, and here’s the evidence they use.”
Don’t argue someone else’s position. If you want to talk about disingenuous, that is disingenuous.
State your own position on the rape of civilians and minors in Ukraine.
I’m personally enraged and disgusted by Russia’s invasion and brutalizing of the Ukrainian people, and I’d be happy if this war ended with the death of Putin and his allies.
But Im not naive enough to believe that’s a likely outcome. I think it’s far more likely that this war will impoverish Ukraine for the next half-century and create a generation of orphans and refugees that will never know the country that existed before this war.
I think its ethically abhorrent to cheer on its continuation, and even more, I think it’s childish and absurd to think continued US involvement in it would lead to anything beneficial for the Ukrainian people.
And I think the people who are blinded by their rage are the least qualified to cast judgement on what should be legitimate leftist geopolitical policy. The same people who are play-acting outrage against leftists being too openly violent are the ones seemingly giddy to see Ukraine being tossed near limitless weapons to add to the already half-million dead, over a conflict almost certainly created by US involvement to begin with and which is unlikely to end at all well for Ukraine. You’re advocating for the sacrifice of Ukraine for the chance to destroy Russia, and I find that more heartless and disgusting than anything anyone on Hexbear has said so far.
Who is cheering on its continuation?
Russia can just leave. Walk out. Stop the rape, stop the killing, stop the invasion. Send your soldiers home. Literally nothing would make me happier.
Then we can stop sending weapons, send them more food instead. Help them rebuild, give them homes and schools to replace the ones bombed out by Russia
Can we agree then that Russia needs to end the war by leaving Ukraine?
Sure, let’s wave our magic want and do that, what are you waiting for!?
Well magic is not real, so that’s not an option.
You’re running out of options. Do you think America should go to war against Russia directly? What action do you support?
Woah woah, I’M running out of options?! How did you turn that back on me? You are the one who made an impossible diplomatic solution.
I think the US should be steering Ukraine toward diplomacy, including by limiting lethal aid. It’s irresponsible for us to continue supplying them with armaments indefinitely. That will necessarily mean making concessions to Russia in some way.
I think the US should be steering Ukraine toward diplomacy, including by limiting lethal aid.
This is politician speak for “let Russia bomb Ukrainian cities and kill and rape its civilians until Ukraine is beaten into submission and forced to surrender”.
So yes, again, I call you out as a rape apologist, because you support Ukrainian civilians and minors being raped until Russia gets what it wants.
This is politician speak for "let Russia bomb Ukrainian cities and kill and rape its civilians until Ukraine is beaten into submission and forced to surrender
This is political speak for, “I don’t like what you said but it’s not obviously bad, so I’ll put words in your mouth to make it sound psychopathic”
Believe whatever you like I guess. I hope you have a minor career setback, learn from it, relocate, and ultimately have a very nice life.
You’ve sanitized it into a fake fantasy world. What I described is the reality of war and invasion. Yeah, war is psychopathic. Putin is psychopathic. The rape of civilians and kids is not an accident. That’s how an invading imperialist force subdues and demoralizes a local population.
Maybe you can offer more insight as to why you refuse to acknowledge the reality of atrocities of war. Is it too much for your brain to handle? Or it acknowledging the reality of war harmful for your political agenda?
Huh? Who’s denying the reality of the war? It really seems like it’s you who has lost sight of what war really means, you should know what the cost is of extending the conflict indefinitely. Russia will not leave Ukraine without either a treaty or a defeat, and one of those options is realistic, and the other will come at the cost of possibly millions of lives. If Ukraine pushes Russia out completely and are unable to secure a treaty, they must be ready to defend the retaken ground for the foreseeable future. You’ve abandoned diplomacy because you are (rightfully) outraged over Russia’s actions, but that outrage doesn’t change the calculus of the war.
Honestly, it’s pointless arguing with you, because you’ve detached yourself from reason and nothing but blood will satisfy you. You are no better than the war hawks in DC, sending Ukrainians to the meat grinder in order to keep the gears of war turning and the defense contractors employed.
Everyone who cares about the loss of lives should be looking toward a diplomatic end to the war. A desperate Russia is more likely to initiate direct conflict with NATO and the west. We must end the war now, before it escalates further.
Anyone who says otherwise is dreaming.
If you had two choices
Be put on your knees with your hands tied behind your back with a gun to your head, watch your wife and your daughter be raped in front of your eyes, screaming in pain and fear, crying out for you for help them, watch them be beaten and brutalized and finally executed while you are helpless
Get some “lethal aid” from your neighborhood and defend your home in a firefight, and have a chance at defending yourself and your family even in a dangerous situation that might still leave you injured or dead
Which one are you choosing? I’m choosing #2, in a heartbeat.
I hate war, I hate violence, I own guns and I’ve never, ever shot them at a person. But I believe in self defense against the fascists and imperialists more than I believe in giving them what they want. And if they came from my home and family, I would be so happy to receive any assistance I could get.
Russia did this. This is Russia’s fault. If this situation is somehow advantageous for the west (and it really isn’t), that was Putin’s doing.