RealjohnnTop Russian space scientist dies of mushroom poisoning
Even after the successful special moon operation? Sad.
It was a special “moon hitting” operation.
Operation “surprise moon punch”
mercanoTesting new experimental lithobraking technology.
The good news is, our rocket managed to come to a stop on the moon’s surface much faster than expected
Flying SquidThe Moon will never try to attack us again now!
FuglyDuckcuz that’s going to help get the expertise back…
link sends me to something unrelated
vladWhen I clock the link it just goes to the homepage of the site.
It works for me but you can try this site: lbc.co.uk/…/russia-scientist-mushroom-poison/
It’s the same exact article.
Sterile_TechniqueSure, kill the people with the expertise to learn from failure. That’ll make the next launch go fuckin great!
Putin has this sick idea that if ppl are scared enough they will do better.
While at the same time probably furious people are lying to him left and right ruining his war efforts, and wondering why throwing people out of windows isn’t helping.
Worked at a company like that once, the boss was just like Putin. Anyone disagreed or didn’t want to work a holiday then they suddenly found their employment terminated. Such fragile egos on these types.
Turns out there’s an extreme amount of psychological overlap between authoritarianism, narcissism, and “toxic masculinity”.
I never thought leopards would eat MY face!
Putin has this sick idea that if ppl are scared enough they will do better.
That’s not an uncommon management philosophy. It’s usually done without murder though.
Especially since no one with two working neurons will want to take the position.
CALIGVLAYou really don’t want to crash that spacecraft on the moon if you’re in Russia, guys.
TropicalDingdongShouldnt have bought that book of amazon my dude.
yuiExactly what I thought when I saw that title.
IHeartBadCodeThought they had accounted for everything by having no windows at the space building.
If only they had thought to forgo eating and drinking as well!
Oh and simply existing in proximity to russia…
teftWhat, did Russia run out of polonium or something?
They moved to novichock a while ago - which has more or less the same symptoms as mushroom poisoning.
more or less the same symptoms as mushroom poisoning
Only certain cholinergic mushrooms. Those are pretty rare. Usually kidney or liver failure which wouldn't present those symptoms.
Imagine you are a Russian doctor, you have a patient with severe nausea, diarrhea, blurry vision, headache, muscle weakness, and you don’t want to fall out of a window. What’s your diagnosis?
This level of conspiracy is too much for my credulity. I think Russia is a heavy handed murderous state, but I don't see the motive or means likely for this dude. I honestly believe it's more likely he's just an old guy that died from multiorgan failure from mushroom poisoning.
Remember Navalny’s poisoning and the wild theories Russian doctors were throwing?
Nope. Like what?
nitrolifeI am always a little amused by the comments of Europeans about Russia as a country of madness and murder. Putin may be a murderer, but he is not a psychopath. Almost 100% is mushroom poisoning. Especially considering how many people in Russia actually pick mushrooms on their own and eat them. On average, about 10,000 Russians are poisoned by mushrooms every year due to the fact that they made a mistake when collecting in the forest. Dies, of course, much less, but the chance is non-zero. I also collect mushrooms in the nearby forest and eat almost all my life. And pickle for the winter too.
Fuck off rusky
It’s okay, we know you have to tow the line or he’ll throw your ass out a window.
newsweek.com/full-list-russians-fall-windows-puti…
lbc.co.uk/…/full-list-suspicious-russian-deaths/
…yahoo.com/poisoned-fell-out-of-a-window-died-sud…
So what? How are civil servants, paramilitary formations created personally by Putin, and a linear engineer connected?
If Putin’s logic is mysterious to you, I can easily explain it. If you personally took money from Putin, then obey the commands. Especially if we talk about the military, which has the largest state preferences. Pension at 35 years old. Pensions are 3 times more than standard ones. Any government support, apartments, anything else. Big profits are big risks.
Politicians literally almost all entered the government through Putin’s party. In this situation, you should not try to run over to the other side, it’s obvious.
And an ordinary engineer clearly does not fit into this logic.
Holy shit. Jokes aside, if this is real it’s a damn shame. It’s actually insane that he would get killed for a scientific experiment. Why would anyone want to be involved in science in Russia if this is how they deal with failure? It’s no small feat to land on the fucking moon.
Killed for failing a very propagandized mission doing stuff that was mostly routine back in the Soviet era.
It’s not about the failure. It’s about the embarrassment
And this right here is why this war has literally made russia a dumber nation because of the “brain drain.” So many of russia’s scientists and intellectuals fled when they invaded Ukraine. Looking at this and all the russian doctors/covid scientists who ‘fell’ to their deaths from windows, it seems putin is determined to make russia a stupid nation.
Don’t forget all the intellectuals and educators and researchers, etc that couldn’t leave have likely been drafted or are damn close to it.
After two weeks of suffering in the hospital.
I wonder if someone told the doctors that no, unfortunately there’s nothing that can be done again that “mushroom”
There’s a podcast (Sad Oligarch) that outlines a lot of these “mysterious” deaths in Russia.
While it very much tracks for assassination, it also seems to be a cultural thing to eat random mushrooms they find.
I have several Russian and Ukrainian friends in the states, and they always act like they’re seriously considering harvesting mushrooms we find in the wild and eating them. Every damn time, and it’s like a 2 minute conversation every time of me convincing them it’d be foolish and to just buy from the store.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it was real. But I’ll just assume Putin anyway.
Wait, there’s noone collecting mushrooms there? It’s not random stuff of course, it’s species they know. And there’s a good chance you won’t find those is the shop.
No, very few people in the US collect mushrooms.
Also, the “it’s species they know” thing that’s often exactly the problem: there are species on one continent that look exactly like a species on another continent, but one of them is edible and the other is deadly. So some poor dumb bastard comes over here from Europe, sees some mushroom he “knows,” and then – whoops! – dead.
If you want to forage for mushrooms you need to find a local guide to teach you, and even then you’re putting your life in their hands.
I grew up collecting mushrooms (US), but definitely restricted to only a few varieties which basically couldn’t be confused with anything deadly (some lookalikes maybe, but gastrointestinal distress — not death — would probably be the worst case). And yep, learned by going on mushroom hunting walks through the woods with local old timers who knew what was what.
IonAddisAlso, the “it’s species they know” thing is often exactly the problem: there are species on one continent that look exactly like a species on another continent, but one of them is edible and the other is deadly.
Yeah, I’ve heard this is a thing with some immigrants with East Asian background. There’s a species of mushroom in Asia that is totally edible, but it’s look-alike in North America is deadly.
So every year there’s a handful of people who accidentally poison themselves, because they didn’t do research on local mushrooms (or the info that’s available is in English and they’re not all that fluent in the language.)
“Relatively few people” may be the standard for your part of the US but in my experience PA, MD, VA all have mushroom hunting as very normal and popular activities.
Default_DefectPeople do that on the regular here in Iowa, granted its a very well known kind of mushroom that gets collected and eaten and not random Super Mario mushrooms.
So I was going down a mushroom rabbit hole one day and found a Polish documentary that was very detailed regarding mushrooms. Apparently selling wild mushrooms on the side of the road is a billion dollar industry in Poland, as well as a seasonal cultural event.
But this is just an assassination over the notched moon landing. When you fuck up publicly in Russia, you die publicly.
It’s not just east Europe some people in western Europe at the very least in Italy do so as well.
Risotto with wild mushrooms is about a million times tastier than with Portobello type.
💡dimI wouldn’t be surprised if it was real. But I’ll just assume Putin anyway.
I’m sure there was a mushroom involved somehow. Perhaps tripped on a mushroom which caused him to fall, get his head caught in a noose and inadvertently pull the trigger on a shotgun that just happened to be sitting there. The resulting blast blew him out of a 4th story window.
Mushroom poisoning…
As someone from East EU, this is actually plausibly accidental, though the timeline is suspicious.
Mushroom foraging is cultural, you can buy foraged mushrooms in farmers markets and in general it is a fairly popular leisure activity to go foraging in the woods.
I hardly know anyone over 50 who isn’t excited for the mushroom season, sometimes people do end up picking up a death cap as it can be mistaken for a couple different edible ones at its various stages of growth, though you have to be fairly inattentive to do so. That said we treat a couple of poisonings a year in our toxicoligy ward.
People legitimately fall out of windows too. It just seems like notable Russian figures are far more prone to these accidents
Do grown adults accidentally fall out of windows though? Children and people fleeing a building on fire maybe. But the only example of an adult accidentally falling out of a window in non-suspicious circumstances I can think of is that guy who was trying to demonstrate the shatter-proof glass in his office building. Even that wasn’t really an accident, he did it on purpose.
Apparently drunk college kids do it a lot
Ah, good shout!
In my in-laws building someone fell out the window of the 5th floor and died trying to fix the outside shutter that got stuck so it does happen.
Not that crazy, also depens on what type of Windows you have… And other reasons why you might put your ass on the window frame to check/clean/fix something on the window or near it.
True. I’ve only ever lived in building where the windows open from the side to about 45° so you’d really have to go some to fall out of them. But sash windows are much more dangerous.
Two men were drinking in the bar at the top of the Empire State Building.
One turns to the other and says: “You know, last week I discovered that if you jump from the top of this building, by the time you fall to the 10th floor, the winds around the building are so intense that they carry you around the building and back into the window.”
The second man says: “What…… are you a nut? There is no way in hell that could happen!”
The first man says: “No, it’s true, let me prove it to you.”
He gets up from the bar, jumps over the balcony, and careens toward the street below. When he passes the 10th floor, the high wind whips him around the building and back into the 10th floor window, where he takes the elevator back up to the bar.
The second man tells him: “You know, I saw that with my own eyes, but that must have been a one-time fluke.”
The first man says: “No, it isn’t. I’ll prove it again!”
And again he jumps and hurtles toward the street where the 10th floor wind gently carries him around the building and into the window.
Once upstairs he urges his fellow drinker to try it.
The second man says: “Well, what the hell, it works, I’ll try it.”
He jumps over the balcony, plunges downward, and passes the 11th……. 10th……. 9th……. and hits the sidewalk with a ‘splat.’
Back upstairs, the bartender turns to the other drinker and says: “You’re an asshole, Supeeman"
Yeah, but foraging for wild mushrooms is something y'all are taught from a very young age. You're taught what kinds are safe to eat, and what ones to absolutely avoid. I highly doubt anyone with a scientific background would just randomly eat mushrooms without positive identifications.
Given that this is Russia, he probably refused to stand near any windows and had an affinity for wild mushrooms so someone took advantage of the situation lol
Iirc it is the russula that is commonly confused for the deathcap and its variations (amanita) people usually report feeling like they have confused for amanita.
The russula is a very common one to forage and I can kind of see the resemblance, but I also have not encountered an amanita that is too convincing at passing for russula, at least to me, especially if you actually look beyond the cap. So realistically you are right, I don’t really feel like you could forage the wrong one with experience, but people from all different backgrounds still manage to do it with a certain regularity, which is why I say this is plausible as an accident. It feels like too much work and they would probably have to cook the medical record since he was probably in the hospital for a bit before he died.