Just finished this book yesterday. Really excellent! And timely.

It dovetails with our proxy failure (Goodhart's Law) paper too: sometimes aiming for a thing via proxies (quantities, scores, metrics) can lead to the opposite. Here the problem is aiming for control of life.

This review captures the gist of it: https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/control-everything-on-hartmut-rosas-the-uncontrollability-of-the-world/

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@DrYohanJohn @junosz people need a book to know that the world is uncontrollable??? i guess if it helps, then good...

@DrYohanJohn @junosz maybe it's for people who get confused between models and reality. i guess if you spend your whole life in model-land without much time in the actual living world, then you might end up confused about that?

it seems like this book might pair well with the book "hospicing modernity" by vanessa machado de oliveira.

@mk30 @DrYohanJohn in my experience in both professional and community organizing contexts, and extremely widely held (and rarely consciously examined) belief in the sense of

@junosz @DrYohanJohn i think i must have washed out of all those scenes pretty early on. 😅​

maybe it's because my parents are pretty heavy on the control front & i've rebelled. mom still tries to make me be what she wants, and dad just can't tolerate any challenges to his view of himself. also i've had to face my own uncontrollability in the form of mental health issues (when ya can't get your brain to do what you want, even if you desperately want it to!).

plus, i live in the forest now, so uncontrollability is the name of the game. hawai'i has a funny way of dealing with people who come here and think that they can impose their vision on the land: it simply pushes them out. whether it's the jungle overgrowing their lawn, or the mosquitoes, or the loud coqui frogs, or the mold, the control freaks usually don't last long here. here, you pretty much learn that you have to work *with* the forces of nature rather than against them. because they're way more powerful than you are.

but i guess in places where nature has been kicked out more thoroughly (the centers of empire, etc.), it can be hard to remember who's really in charge (the land, the ocean, the sun, etc.).

@mk30 @junosz

Are you responding only to the title of the book? 😅

Anyway, what you say about living with nature is definitely true. But that's not quite what the book is about.

@DrYohanJohn @junosz somewhat! it's just hard for me to imagine someone needing an entire book to grok that the world is uncontrollable.

edit: it must be the title that's throwing me. it seems like the book is more about the desire for a controlled world rather than just like..."BAM! the world is uncontrollable. FIN." 😆​

i found a lecture by the author, so i'll listen to that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7Y4L8ie1jI

The Uncontrollability of the World | Sociologist Hartmut Rosa | Lecture

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