Russia has 'right to war' with 'each and every' NATO country - Medvedev

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Russia has 'right to war' with 'each and every' NATO country - Medvedev - Lemmy.world

“Whether you like it, or not, history is on our side. We will bury you,” he said quoting former USSR leader Nikita Khrushchev. Russian politician Dmitry Medvedev said on Tuesday Russia could have a right to go to war with NATO.

A house cat has the right to attack a lion as well...

This is the best summary I could come up with:

The former Russian Prime Minister - widely seen as a stopgap for Vladimir Putin -  repeatedly takes to social media to write provocative and inflammatory statements about the Ukraine war and its Western allies.

In Tuesday’s tweet, Medvedev warned the “apocalypse” was “drawing nearer”, quoting biblical verse and old Soviet leaders.

“We are remembered until we stand in the others’ way,” attributed to Vladimir Lenin, who led the Bolshevik Revolution and was the first leader and founder of the Soviet Union.

Medvedev, Russia’s Deputy Chairman of the Security Council, ended the tweet with a notorious quote from former USSR leader Nikita Khrushchev made to Western ambassadors in 1956, which reads: "Whether you like it, or not, history is on our side.

Most of Medvedev’s past threats have rung hollow or provoked ridicule online from large numbers of social media users.

He added Poland was “temporarily occupied”, alluding to NATO presence inside the country, which includes 10,000 American troops, according to AP.

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Okay…? Why would you want to though? Just want to kill a lot of people for no other reason than, “but I have the right to!”
Nobody is stopping them from exercising that right against any NATO country. What about Poland? They have been a historical nuisance, Dimi. Just shoot a rocket at a farm somewhere, but make it intentional this time.

I wonder… does medvedev have enough wits left to understand that if Russia has that right… then everyone … has that right?

They’re finding Ukraine difficult enough. Sure we’re sharing some toys (a lot of toys)… but they don’t have carriers or attack subs or missile destroyers…

Threatening nato is not a sane decision to make. We might just take them at their word.

The toys we’re sharing are our older toys from the 80s and 90s even. Its not even the more deadly stuff we have…and they’re fighting against a force that’s getting a few weeks training on these toys and sent out into the field. If russia truly wants a 72 hour war…all it would need to do is attack NATO.
72? Pretty generous. I’m pretty sure we have more HARM missiles than they do S400 SAM batteries.

It’s not the war, it’s the keeping.

In any case, we’d probably bog down around the same time China and everyone else on that side got involved. I don’t think it would be as clean or as quick. But, yeah. We could definitely screw them pretty harshly without ever landing troops

There isn't anyone really on that side . China and NATO have differences, but China doesn't have anything to gain from helping Russia, and nthey lose a lot is NATO loses. They will sit out. Similar with India, they will stay out . Iran or a few other small counties might consider joining, but I doubt it as most are smart enough to know that is suicide.
Idk, China might see the spread of resources as a good opportunity to try an invasion of Taiwan.

Maybe, Xi seems just sane enough not to try, but who knows. China and Russia can't really win against NATO though they make things harder. India likely hates China enough to join NATO as well.

Of course we are talking nuclear armed countries so everyone loses is possible.

Putin made his move because Xi sounded like he was going to go at the same time.

Xi was closing on HK and planned to switch immediately to Taiwan, even started the domestic pivot, then his navy told him they needed at least 5 years (honestly its more like 15, they are just starting carrier flight ops on the Liaoning and their newer ones aren’t shaken down yet).

Putin had made his preparations, Xi hinted he might go anyway once the west was distracted.

If daddy z hadn’t stayed in kyiv history would look really bad right now.

China and Russia have no military alliance, Xi is just taking advantage of the fantastic business opportunity that opened up for him for cheap Russian imports. If Chinese troops became militarily involved in Russian territory, it would probably be to acquire their claims over eastern Siberia, dating back to the Qing Dynasty. Otherwise he’s just be supporting a state that competes with him for the dominant regional position.

The Tsar took that land from them, back in the day though. If you look at their current claimed territories, they never forgot. Maybe if Russia agreed to become a subject state of China, then they’d help militarily, but they’re certainly not friends or allies.

Russia does have actual allies, but not many. And China isn’t one of them.

So what you’re saying is we could Jalta Russia at the Urals with the Chinese and set up Cold War 2 on a really big scale?
That’s what everyone wants, we get west russia, China gets parts of Siberia with resources, and with it we buy peace for another 50 years while everyone consolidates.
We don't need to occupy Russia to stop them from continuing a war that they start. We can just destroy their equipment and manufacturing locations to make them surrender.
I was just gonna say, destroy the vodka and cigarettes.
That falls under equipment!
Yeah, Ukraine is excited about maybe getting some F-16s and how much that could help with the air war and meanwhile a couple of F-22s could take down a whole squadron of them.

Is the F-22 that much more capable?

What about the F-35? Did its issues ever get resolved?

Yes. And yes. Article on the F-35.
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Is the F-22 that much more capable?

Yes, it is.

The most successful jet fighter of the modern era is the F15 with a combat record of 104-0.

In combat against F15s, the F22 is 41-1.

There’s also the option that it’s going to be a 30-ish minute war. 50-ish if the other side manages to get their counter value force airborne.
Or the big guns. If they start attacking the nuclear powers, things are going to get very spicy very quickly.

America is not giving Ukraine the most advanced weapons and that is stopping Russia.

Imagine if America used their pre advanced weapons.

It’s posturing. Russia wants to look tough. They’re a paper tiger.

And at full scale. This is definitely typical Russian posturing, ie total bullshit that everyone knows is bullshit but they say it anyway.

Total posturing. A few hundred of these would end the war overnight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-158_JASSM

These aren't even classified. Poland and Finland have them, today.

Ukraine is keeping Russia in check with cardboard launched grenades. It's pretty amazing, honestly; both how innovative Ukraine has been under duress with almost nothing, and how bad Russia has performed in this mess they've dumped themselves in.

A few too many toes over NATO lines would decapitate the Kremlin, probably before anything could be done in response.

AGM-158 JASSM - Wikipedia

I have been highly impressed with the Ukrainian spirit and ingenuity.

I have also been surprised at what a cluster fuck Russia has been on the battlefield. I expected them to perform better than they did. It shows how much they have declined from being a super power.

The only issue I have is Russia has nukes and Putin is dumb enough to use them.

That stealth missle I linked, there's a CHAMP payload designed for it that fries any electronics...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-electronics_High_Power_Microwave_Advanced_Missile_Project

Launchers, guidance systems, communications, all of it. Should be able handled, if any of it even works anymore.

Counter-electronics High Power Microwave Advanced Missile Project - Wikipedia

I just don’t understand why the US can’t seem to decide its stance. Either give Ukraine enough to win or tell them to get lost and give up territory in exchange for peace. One risks escalation with Russia or collapse of russia, the other risks handing discrediting the rules based international order (lmao).

But the status quo with delayed and half assed aid shipments is costing thousands of Ukrainian (and Russian, but who cares lol) soldiers’ lives for pretty dam questionable outcomes.

He is a puppet. It’s hard to think with Putins hand so far up your ass.
These dumbfucks can’t manage a war with Ukraine. To state the obvious.
They’re managing the war just fine.
Are you enjoying your Lada?
No Ladas in the UK, only Jags, me very sad…

So has Denmark.

Though it would be funny ig Russia didn't. Imagine Putin declaring war on Poland and Poland just saying "no, it's against the law."

It will be special special operation.
Special Operation 2: Electric Nazi-loo
Poland is chomping at the bit to kick Russian teeth in right now, the first legit opportunity that comes up they’re taking it
Being invaded? Just say no - they legally cannot take your territory without your consent.
So Dmitry. Found something to say from the bottom of the bottle again, eh?

Except they really don’t. There’s no casus belli that passes the smell test.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_of_aggression

Crime of aggression - Wikipedia

🎶Dumb ways to die 🎶

You won’t, fucking cunt.

Try it and your regime gets obliterated.

How are they gonna have time to bury anybody when they’re busy burying hundreds of thousands of citizens they force to go to war for them?
The only way the Russian army would bury NATO is in the collective wave of shit which would emanate from their pants if they actually faced real Western military action
Can’t even take on Ukraine, you want to come at every other western country? Lol
Russia is the irritating kid down the street who just broke his nerf gun so he’s threatening to throw the darts at you instead and tell his mom you’re not invited to his birthday party…

… I mean, ok?

Come get some.

Oh don’t bother. Medvedev is a joke. Always has been. I hell you this as a Russian.
You know, it makes me wonder if we’d even need troops in the conflict zone. We probably can use drones and satellite to find the enemy, then use drones to elimate them. It’s not asymmetrical warfare like Afghanistan or Iraq.
Good luck with that…
Freedom of Speech War doesn't mean Freedom from Consequences!
What consequences? The only consequence Russia has today is a booming economy.
Hahahaha
Haha what? Russian economy only dipped by 2% during 2022, that’s less than during the pandemic. IMF says it will actually see a healthy growth in 2023. Also Russian government can run at deficit for decades to boost economy even further. Simply because they have one of the lowest debts in the world. And don’t forget - most of the world don’t give a heck about the war and continues to trade with Russia. Sanctions only made Russia a very attractive partner for many countries like India and China, which are now buying craploads of oil, gas and other resources.
Imagine being as stupid as @Aux.
Oh no, we’re all gonna be totally dead in 3 days. Remember how they took Kiev in 3 days? Flawlessly.