I’m sorry that you and the people on this instance are being subjected to that shit. It’s always despicable but on top of that it just seems absurd to target lemm.ee – a deliberately unprofitable platform – with such illegal means.

And I’m honestly sorry that people are blaming & attacking you guys for no tangible reason.

I’m surprised people have forgotten already about the attacks against lemmy.world, assumedly executed by a disgruntled ex-moderator long before we ever knew Hexbear existed.

Instead people are jumping to “OhH it’s ThE HexBeArS” when they have not been able to freely browse you guys’ discussions or even talk with you, they’re just shown the worst take from a minority (although tbf you guys do the same on c/cth, so it’s kinda funny seeing both sides with one not realising the other is also just a human too, just with differing culture and political stance)

Thankfully I haven’t seen the takes accusing HB of the recent attacks, though being accused of the attacks on .world was a little annoying. I appreciate the solidarity.

I genuinely have no idea where this recent attack is coming from. The most fried part of my brain says “One of the big companies trying to absorb the fediverse is doing this to undermine their competition,” but I have zero evidence, it’s just the only motive I can even think of beyond it being a rogue crank.

It’s totally conceivable that HB people would spam an instance they don’t like – though this would be against the wishes of the mods and admins – but our site culture is completely antithetical to spamming CSAM and things like that, so I don’t think even a rogue group of users would do it “on our behalf”.

Oh, I just realized it could be one of those fash instances like exploding heads. If any were defeded relatively recently, that would make sense.

Instead people are jumping to “OhH it’s ThE HexBeArS” when they have not been able to freely browse you guys’ discussions or even talk with you, they’re just shown the worst take from a minority (although tbf you guys do the same on c/cth, so it’s kinda funny seeing both sides with one not realising the other is also just a human too, just with differing culture and political stance)

I don’t think I have much to contribute to the “both sides” thing that is useful, but I’m going to talk anyway because I’m thinking about it now.

off-topic

I think if you asked a hexbear user to seriously answer how representative those screenshots are of lemm.ee, they’d probably say that lemm.ee is much more ideologically disjointed on a handful of issues, especially regarding history and geopolitics, and the screenshots are only representative of some of the more annoying tendencies among the neoliberals and poorly-educated “anarchists” (like that dude who decried “tankies” and used Sankara as a counterexample, when we all like Sankara). I also think they would be correct in saying this. I don’t know what the anti-HB people who don’t comment on our instance think, I hardly ever see it, but I can at least tell you that we know much more about neoliberal ideology than they do ML, because we almost all started out as de facto neoliberals and nearly none of them have even a basic understanding of ML theory (which is not really their fault, to be clear).

Anyone on any instance federated with hexbear is welcome to post questions to c/askchapo. If they are relatively polite and not presumptuous, we’ll be happy to answer. If people are still mean, report it. You can let me know and I will personally nag the mods to address the matter properly. Just recently we had a thread from a .ml user who wanted us to state our opinion on Trump for the record for the hundredth time, so about a hundred users chimed in that they all hate his guts (I also made a comment to that effect). We’re happy to discuss things openly and it would be good for us to improve community relations to avoid things like one group accusing the other of doing something as heinous as what the OP describes.

trump

To be fair, some of the rhetoric you all use makes your political compass difficult to navigate.

As I said, the question is welcome no matter how tedious I might personally find it, just like any question asked in good faith.

Complete aside: polcomp is a bad way of attempting to understand politics. It has no way of understanding Marxism.

That video could have easily been 5 minutes. Phweew.

Say something bad about communism.

About “communism” itself? What is the scope here? Token criticism is meaningless but I will humor you: I dislike the Khmer Rouge.

I don’t care to hear you say something bad about neoliberalism because it’s the most prized action by anarcho-bidenists to say “NATO bad” and then agree with NATO about most of its enemies.

Everyone should be able to point out flaws in a system, as no system is perfect. Not even communism. So, point out the flaws in communism, in plain English.

Sure, heres some intro-level crit.

Marx was completely off base with his prediction revolution would arise from urban proleitaritized factory workers and intelligentsia in “developed” nations.

Historically, the majority of revolutions have come from rural agricultural workers in the most exploited colonial holdings.

Luckily, communist political theory didn’t end with Marx.

What country has been a good example of communism working?

Almost every single country it has been deployed in. Socialism provides a better physical quality of life when compared with capitalism at the same level of development.

And the names are? List form is preferred if you don’t mind.

List within the study and the classifications:

Well, your article was from 1986, and this image lists the USSR… please, 2023 successful communist countries. List, text.

I am 100% certain that if you compared socialist countries today you would get the same result.

This is extremely obvious when you consider that despite obviously lower levels of development in countries like China, Cuba and Vietnam have higher life expectancy than America.

Life expectancy is your way to determine successful?

I’m not sure i’d really consider any of those places a good place to live. China is pretty crazy and jails people for talking about Winnie the Pooh. Is that your idea of government?

Cuba and Vietnam also have lower life expectancy than the US.

…wikipedia.org/…/List_of_countries_by_life_expect…

Look at Hong Kong kicking ass at #1 though. (Not exactly communist with all that love for the free market)

I think your info might be a bit out of date at this point.

But thanks for the chat.

Using wikipedia is dogshit, stop using it.

The World Bank data is here, which is the same data used in the study: datatopics.worldbank.org

The actual current data is:

USA: 77.28

Cuba: 77.57

Vietnam: 75.38

China: 78.08

Look at Hong Kong kicking ass at #1 though.

Hong Kong is not a country. Individual cities are not good examples of life expectancy when life expectancy of cities typically outperforms life expectancy of rural regions due to quick access to medical facilities afforded by density. This is why you really shouldn’t rely on Wikipedia for your understanding of anything. You should go to primary sources yourself instead of allowing editors to curate and present information for you.

Worldbank.org

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I don’t get the irony. Your data is either not found or decades old. Then you shut down Wikipedia, which has sources cited.

I can make an image to display whatever info I want. Your sources are poor, or biased.

Your data is either not found

Bro it’s the world bank. If you can’t access it that’s a problem on your fucking side not the most reliable data source for nations on the fucking planet.

i.imgur.com/kkmn4g2.jpg

So, youre.fullofsh.it

Nice try though.

That’s literally not what you just linked to lol. It’s what I linked to sure. But you know how to type in a basic URL instead of a subdomain that’s only used for certain links.

The url error on my part is irrelevant. You’re pretending to be internet illiterate for the sake of defending a position you know is untenable.

Please provide a link to your source that a person can click and get the info. Check your URL before sending.

Also, please stop trying to gaslight me. If you can’t provide actual data—just leave.

You are not a moron, stop pretending to be. You know how to use the internet. You don’t “win” by saying “please provide a link”. It’s there on the worldbank site, look it the fuck up and stop resorting to debatebro redditisms. If you spoke like this to someone in person they would punch you in the face.

Pull your weight, comrade. You cite a source link, make it work. Don’t be lazy.

🥱 you’re boring

I can’t. Blocked. Too many of you all at once. Blocking you too cause you’re just coming in for seconds.