@androcat Talked to a lady who worked for the tax authority here in Norway once. She told me straight away that welfare fraud is such a minor phenomenon that it has zero effect on the welfare budget. She followed that up by saying, "So we need to decide what kind of society we want - one where we're so afraid that someone might get some help they didn't qualify for, at the risk of depriving many others who need that help? Or one where we help folks through tough times and help them become tax payers again?"
A year or two later, I read a study that showed a significant amount of "welfare fraud" cases are folks who genuinely believed they qualified.
The more accessible benefits are, the better for everyone, ultimately.

@gilesgoat @androcat
I seriously don't understand what you're trying to get across.

@souvlaki @androcat I THINK she means that to give more access/easy to benefits is helpful so people can be as well productive and contribute for others. Which in essence is a good idea. She quotes "they done a survey in Norway" I say "yes that survey makes sense in Norway because there people act/work in a certain way" the same survey would give "totally different results" if done in Italy where "fraud of anything is the norm". And I say it as an Italian that lives in Italy as well.

@gilesgoat @souvlaki The fix is easy.
For areas like Italy, just use a UBI instead of Point-of-Need assistance.

@androcat @gilesgoat
Oh don't get me wrong, I advocate for a UBI even here in Scandinavia.