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Wisconsin Supreme Court chief justice accuses liberal majority of staging a 'coup'

The conservative chief justice of the Wisconsin Supreme Court told the new liberal majority in a scathing email that they had staged a “coup” when they voted recently to weaken her powers and hire a new director of state courts.

https://apnews.com/article/wisconsin-supreme-court-liberals-conservative-chief-justice-81d040f7a59c210c8ba2a4c8007834b5

Wisconsin Supreme Court chief justice accuses liberal majority of staging a 'coup'

The conservative chief justice of the Wisconsin Supreme Court told the new liberal majority in a scathing email that they had staged a “coup” when they voted recently to weaken her powers and hire a new director of state courts. Chief Justice Annette Ziegler said in the emails obtained Monday by The Associated Press that the firing of the courts director was illegal and ordered interim state court director Audrey Skwierawski to stop signing orders without her knowledge or approval. A request for comment from the four-justice liberal majority was left with Supreme Court spokesperson and was not immediately returned.

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Aug 29, 2023 at 1:31pmWeb
Show threadThrowawayOnLemmyAug 29, 2023
Republicans can go fuck themselves.
Show threadGhostsAreShittyAug 29, 2023
Imagine how much better everything would be if they just like, shut the fuck up and accepted losses.
Show threadblanketswithsmallpoxAug 29, 2023

Graceful losses and being humble when wrong is a lost concept on them, and a lot of people besides.

An entire party of ❄️s when called out, but all they do is weaponize the hypocrisy lol. It's easier to just point it out quickly then move on. Just to prime any readers who might have a margin of sanity.

Show threaddonAug 29, 2023
With jaw-dropping force.
Show threadATQAug 29, 2023
TIL: The outcome of the democratic process is a “coup”. 🙄
Show threadvladAug 29, 2023
We want people to have the freedom to choose what we believe in. Anything else is clearly a mistake.
Show threadStovetopAug 29, 2023

It seems like most conservatives in power have this cognitive dissonance where they see themselves as nobility, chosen by god to rule. So when they are voted out of office through the mere expression of democracy, they see it as some sort of peasant uprising.

We’re just slowly sliding back to feudalism.

Show threadZombiepirateAug 29, 2023
Here’s a good video that expands on that thought.
The Alt-Right Playbook: Always a Bigger Fish

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Show threadYoBuckStopsHereAug 29, 2023
That’s how conformist think. They want you to do as they say.
Show threadOmniraptorAug 29, 2023
God, remember MSNBC the night Bernie Sanders won Nevada?
Show threadtreefrogAug 29, 2023
Well of course it is. The Dems let women and dark skinned people vote. Taking power away from the white… I mean the right!
Show threaddonAug 29, 2023
I maintain that the two biggest moments where conservatives shit their beds were when we left the planet for the first time and voted in a black president.
Show threadDonJefeAug 29, 2023
That has become the Republican party line. Since Trump, they think that any democratic process outcome that is not in their favor is corrupt, and it must be undone. In short, fascism
Show threadAutoTL;DRAug 29, 2023

This is the best summary I could come up with:

“You are making a mess of the judiciary, the court and the institution for years to come,” Ziegler wrote to her fellow justices and Skwierawski.

Liberals gained a 4-3 majority on Aug. 1 when Justice Janet Protasiewicz began her 10-year term after winning election in April.

She also defended her action signing orders assigning reserve judges, saying state law clearly gives her that authority.

“I had the legal authority and responsibility as well as the moral obligation to sign the orders for reserve judges,” she told Ziegler.

Ziegler sent a scathing email to all of the justices once again accusing liberals of acting illegally, causing harm to the court’s internal operations and public perception.

Ziegler refused to schedule weekly meetings with what she called the unconstitutional “invented committee” created by the liberal justices.

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Show threadConyakAug 29, 2023
Pretty typical. If they win then it is democracy in action. If they lose it’s a coup. Republicans don’t care about democracy, they want an autocracy.
Show threadgregorumAug 29, 2023
They are fascists who want fascism
Show threadNightwingdragonAug 29, 2023

The whole point of things like this is to dilute the impact of the words being used. This way, when they get caught doing the exact same thing, it won’t seem “bad” in the eyes of their constituents.

It’s one of the reasons the GOP are pushing so hard to impeach Biden. So when people say that Trump was impeached twice, the MAGA crowd can just say “Yeah, so was Biden. So was Clinton. Presidents get impeached all the time. They never get removed. It’s all for political show anyway, it’s no big deal. The next guy will probably get impeached too.”

It’s why GOP politicians are trying to frame even minor incidents of protest as “insurrections” or “coups”. They know it sounds ridiculous. That’s the whole point. If you water down words like “insurrection”, “coup”, “sedition”, and “treason”, then the MAGA crowd can just say “January 6th wasn’t an insurrection. The country is still here. Quit calling every protest an insurrection. We’re not in the 1780s any more.”

Same thing with the RICO charges. Why do you think Miller and MTG were tweeting “RICO?”. Charge everybody with RICO charges and Trump being charged no longer seems like a big deal.

It’s a long term strategy. Make the idea of being charged with crimes just a normal part of the political process, and make everybody think it’s not that bad. That way, when they’re caught engaging in the corrupt acts they routinely accuse others of engaging in, it’ll be considered “normal” and “no big deal”, and make it almost impossible to remove them.

Show threadcarl_dungeonAug 29, 2023
It was just a little “light” treason!
Show threadHoustonHenryAug 29, 2023
“It wasn’t” -Ron Howard
Show threadVentraSqwalAug 29, 2023
It’s a very insidious way to make the country more like Russia, where there’s so much propaganda there is no objective truth, words have no meaning, and rule of law of even more nebulous.
Show threadbabyphatman Aug 29, 2023
Hypernormalization. Adam Curtis spoke about this in his documentary.
Show threadVentraSqwalAug 30, 2023
I have to watch that. Although it sounds like not a very happy watch when I’m already on edge all the time from current news.
Show threadIgloojoeAug 29, 2023
Well quite a few republican politicians in the pocket of Russia. Would make sense they learn their strategies.
Show threadBakkodaAug 29, 2023
Firehose of propaganda is one of the main weapons discussed in Foundation of Geopolitics.
Show threadZombiepirateAug 29, 2023
I offer as proof of your claim how Nunes kept calling things “drug deals” during the first impeachment because there was testimony that John Bolton and his moustache said he wasn’t go to be a part of the “drug deal” being cooked up in Ukraine (referring to the scheme to blackmail Zelenskyy).
Show threadAllonzeeLVAug 29, 2023

Boil the frog.

Just like we did with crony capitalism. It’s ok because it’s just the norm.

Show threadDocMcStuffinAug 29, 2023
The simple fact that she’s hasn’t filed a lawsuit and instead has been sending out emails leads me to believe she is full of hot air. Amongst other things she is probably full of.
Show threadErtebolleAug 29, 2023

She was elected by the conservative majority to a second two-year term as chief justice in May.

This seems like a pretty stupid system, honestly - when the composition of the court changes there should be a new election, fixed terms for chief justices that overlap an election for another seat make no sense.

Show threadStizzahAug 29, 2023
it’s a pretty stupid system because judges are elected by politicians, period. In other countries the justice is completely independent - for example in Italy (were we still have a lot of different issues) judges are elected by their peers.
Show threadNeedingvsGettingAug 29, 2023
The Wisconsin state supreme court is elected by the citizens of the state (source: I voted for Protasiewicz in the last election)
Show threadHubertManneAug 29, 2023
Its a bit wierd here. Some are appointed and some are elected and judicial retention is a ballot item. The thing about elections is the general populace do not have much to go by so your system sounds better. For example I lean heavily on various bar association recommendations for my vote. Luckily in most cases the bar associations are in agreement and when they are not its someone to look into.
Show threadBuelldozerAug 29, 2023

…and now they’re mad that the liberal justices are trying to fix the same problem again…

I’m not so sure that’s accurate. In the article you’ve got someone hired by the Liberal Majority taking over the work of the Chief Justice, who did not agree to it, and then signing legal documents appointing new Judges with the Chief Justice’s name.

Sure, fuck Republicans, but that sounds super shady to me.

Show threadDkarmaAug 29, 2023

Your reading comprehension needs work:

firing and hiring a new state court director was illegal and ordered interim state court director Audrey Skwierawski to stop signing orders without her knowledge or approval.

The court director always signs with the chief justices name. That’s how it works.

The liberal majority replaced the director as is within their power. Ziegler can’t stop them so she’s throwing a tantrum and saying the new director can’t use her name… Ziegler has no standing to demand this. There is nothing inappropriate here. Ziegler is just mad she can’t run the show anymore.

She stole the chief justice position from the former chief anyway when the cons took the majority last time so if anything this is her comeuppance.

Show threadKhalicAug 29, 2023

Here’s a transcript of the email:

REEEEEEEEEEEEE

Show threadButt PirateAug 29, 2023
Every accusation is a confession
Show threadButtholeSpidersAug 29, 2023

That will eventually be their go to for dealing with others, making it a norm will make the public question when aren’t officials projecting?

They want to numb the public to the point we stop paying attention, the sad thing is for a large part of the population, it works. Like parenthood, there needs to be repercussions, otherwise why not lie?

Show threadChrisLichtAug 29, 2023

Here is a thing conservatives looooove to say:

“Elections have consequences”

Show threadZombiepirateAug 29, 2023
They also, until recently, loved saying “your side lost, get over it.”
Show threadHonytawkAug 29, 2023
How can one stage a coup by voting?
Show threaddhorkAug 29, 2023
By voting for the wrong candidate, obviously.
Show threadsndmnAug 29, 2023
The people the judge is speaking to don’t know what a coup means. They think it’s a place where chickens live.
Show threadExistentialKiwiAug 29, 2023
I don’t think she really believes it’s an actual coup, Republicans have just been calling everything a coup since the Jan. 6th, 2021 Beer Gut Putsch, I assume to muddy the waters around that specific word and run interference for their wannabe dictator.
Show threadDickFiascoAug 29, 2023
This is the first time I’ve heard “Beer Gut Putsch” and I have to say that it has absolutely made my day.
Show threadBrianTheeBiscuiteerAug 29, 2023

Democrats: [Reduce judicial power through a majority vote]

Republicans: ILLEGAL OVERREACH OF POWER!!!

Show threadhauntologyAug 29, 2023
The Repubs are sad that their gerrymandered maps are going to be tossed in the trash can and are throwing a little temper tantrum. That’s all there is to this.
Show threadMerrySkepticAug 29, 2023
Cries in Gorsuch
Show threaddonAug 29, 2023
Dementia in action.
Show threadEmpathicVagrantAug 29, 2023
Strange way to spell modern fascism but you know
Show threaddonAug 30, 2023
I’d say fascism is demented.
Show threadEmpathicVagrantAug 30, 2023
No doubt, but this isn’t like grandma thinking it’s 1953 again. This is malicious and calculated.
Show threaddonAug 30, 2023
Agreed.
Show threadmo_ztt ✅Aug 29, 2023
Just like in a video game: If you go in a direction and start meeting lots of opponents, you’re probably making progress.
Show threadlolcatnipAug 29, 2023

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusation_in_a_mirror

Accusation in a mirror (AiM) (also called mirror politics, mirror propaganda, mirror image propaganda, or a mirror argument) is a hate-speech incitement technique where one falsely attributes to one’s adversaries the intentions that one has for oneself and/or the actions that one is in the process of enacting.

Accusation in a mirror - Wikipedia

Show threadRegularGooseAug 29, 2023
Wisconsin’s conservative extremists justices have taken a leading role in destroying our state’s democracy for years. This sack of shit should be overjoyed that she not only still hold her position, but also that she and her lackeys haven’t been dragged out of their homes by a mob and put down like the rabid dogs they are.
Show threadRoboticideAug 30, 2023

This sack of shit should be overjoyed that she not only still hold her position, but also that she and her lackeys haven’t been dragged out of their homes by a mob and put down like the rabid dogs they are.

I mean, not too late…

Not advocating for anything, but seriously, if liberals were even a quarter as unhinged as conservatives seem to be, there’d be a lot more targeted attacks on fascist politicians.

Show threadtrackcharlieAug 29, 2023
Oh no, she’s retarded
Show threadcultsuperstarAug 29, 2023
Hahaha cry me a fucking river. Tell that the North Carolina’s governor when state Republicans tried to strip away powers after he beat the Republican nominee. She can eat a dick.
Show threadQueen HawlSeraAug 29, 2023

The problem is the GOP has the moral compass of a toddler.

The suspicion that their enemies cheated is more important than the reality of their own cheating.

Show threadNot_Alec_BaldwinAug 30, 2023
They don’t care about cheating, they only care about being on the winning side.
Show threadQueen HawlSeraAug 30, 2023

Pretty much

It is the main reason why the Obama strategy of, “When they go low we go high.” Is a complete failure, you simply cannot shame a republican into following decorum, because they, just like the American people, do not give a shit about decorum, because they’re too concerned with results.

The Republican Strategy is actually admirable simply because they said “You go high, we’ll stay low, and our constituents will thank us for it.”

It’s just a shame that this results driven motivation, this understanding that means are entirely irrelevant as long as you get the ends you’re after, could do much good for america. Instead it’s being used to make sure that a law that says we will stone a woman in the town square for having a miscarriage it’s simply more realistic to imagine passing in this day and age, rather than ensuring that Americans have access to housing and Medicine.