WtfEvenIsExistence1️Ah shit, here we go again
Is the bottom the full name for Nazi? What’s AFP? Sorry if I’m out of the loop
Nazi party’s official name: NSDAP- Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei- National Socialist German Workers’ Party (They aren’t actually socialist, it’s just the name they chose)
AfD: Alternative für Deutschland- Alternative for Germany
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany
Excerpt from Wikipedia:
In March 2020, the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (German: Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz) classified AfD’s far-right nationalistic faction known as Der Flügel as “a right-wing extremist endeavor against the free democratic basic order” and as “not compatible with the Basic Law”, placing it under intelligence surveillance.
scorpionixThey weren’t actually socialist, it’s just the name they chose
Technically, they were, at least to some degree until the Night of the long Knifes during which all left-leaning SA Leaders were purged.
cygnusYeah, to claim that people like Ernst Roehm weren’t socialist is revisionist, to put it mildly. Dude was anticapitalist and wanted to nationalize most industries.
There is nationalization, and there is nationalization.
Mussolini/Gentile stated that the goal of fascism was the merger of the state with the corporation, eg their economic theory of corporatism.
Or, to put it another way, “Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State.”
The Soviet Union’s obsession with nationalization as the means of socialism was one of the many reasons other leftist thinkers coined the term “red fascism” to describe them.
What, after all, is the functional difference between a state taking 70% of your productivity and a capitalist splitting that 70% with a statist?
(Well, hopefully it’s infrastructure and social benefits, but power and weak oversight corrupts)
Very helpful!
Is there a book I can read? I’ve fallen for this oversimplification, yet knowing about the night of the long knives, and incorrectly underatood this bit of history.
Sorry, it’s been ages since I read up on WWII in general, and I don’t have a specific recommendation for you. Roehm wrote a memoir but I think it’s Mein Kampf-esque) rambling and incoherent). Mind you, from the mid 30s onward the Nazis were not especially socialist, so people aren’t necessarily wrong when they point out the “socialist” is a misnomer.
It’s not revisionist. Most people see the atrocities committed by the Nazis, and then say “yeah that shit isn’t socialist”. It’s a historical blind spot most people have about post-Weimar Germany.
It also helps that the socialist wing of the party was wiped out (literally) before the party became, er, internationally famous. If nobody had heard of the USSR until Stalin’s purges, they might have said they weren’t socialist either.
Also, the “left” wing of the party were still fucking unhinged.
AngrilyEatingMuffinsFascists aren’t socialists. Jesus Christ. Rohm wanted social safety nets, he didn’t want the workers to control the means of production, he wanted a corporate state - because he was a fascist, not a socialist.
On what planet does “socialism” refer exclusively to worker-owned means of production? That’s communism. Nobody uses socialism that way unless they’re manipulating wording to fit an agenda.
this planet
Socialism is a political philosophy and movement encompassing a wide range of economic and social systems which are characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
it's always amazing when people like you are SO CONFIDENTLY INCORRECT about basic information that can easily be determined with a simple search.
I have to break it to you, but that just as well describes state-owned companies. It has nothing at all to do with worker ownership. Your own definition makes Roehm a socialist lmao
Name-calling now? Keep eating those muffins buddy. It’s OK to admit you’re wrong once in a while.
fuck off nazi lover
I hope you can get the help you need, friend. BTW see my edit to my previous post.
kill yourself. saves us the trouble of having to do it eventually.