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Judge dismisses lawsuit by sorority sisters who sought to block a transgender woman from joining

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Judge dismisses lawsuit by sorority sisters who sought to block a transgender woman from joining - Lemmy.world

A judge has dismissed a lawsuit contesting a transgender woman’s admission into a sorority at the University of Wyoming, ruling that he could not override how the private, voluntary organization defined a woman and order that she not belong. In the lawsuit, six members of the Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority chapter challenged Artemis Langford’s admission by casting doubt on whether sorority rules allowed a transgender woman. Wyoming U.S. District Court Judge Alan Johnson, in his ruling, found that sorority bylaws don’t define who’s a woman. The case at Wyoming’s only four-year public university drew widespread attention as transgender people fight for more acceptance in schools, athletics, workplaces and elsewhere, while others push back.

Aug 29, 2023 at 11:43amWeb
Show threadAutoTL;DRAug 29, 2023

This is the best summary I could come up with:

(AP) — A judge has dismissed a lawsuit contesting a transgender woman’s admission into a sorority at the University of Wyoming, ruling that he could not override how the private, voluntary organization defined a woman and order that she not belong.

Wyoming U.S. District Court Judge Alan Johnson, in his ruling, found that sorority bylaws don’t define who’s a woman.

The case at Wyoming’s only four-year public university drew widespread attention as transgender people fight for more acceptance in schools, athletics, workplaces and elsewhere, while others push back.

“With its inquiry beginning and ending there, the court will not define a ‘woman’ today,” Johnson wrote.

But while the lawsuit portrayed Langford as a “sexual predator,” claims about her behavior turned out to be a “nothing more than a drunken rumor,” Berkness said.

An attorney for the sorority sisters, Cassie Craven, said by email they disagreed with the ruling and the fundamental issue — the definition of a woman — remains undecided.

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Show threadJoBoAug 29, 2023
Good good. Hope they lose a very expensive defamation case next.
Show threadSmoogyAug 29, 2023
Good god why does everything have to revolve around that shit show. I thought we moved on given that all parties were proved to be shit heads in that case especially when the struck documents were exposed. No one came out smelling like a rose after that. Let’s Move on.
Show threadWindInTreesAug 29, 2023
What?
Show threadThe PantserAug 29, 2023
Sounds like the sorority needs one more Kappa, KKK fuckers.
Show threadpaintbucketholderAug 29, 2023

Disagree.

It was Kappa Kappa Gamma that accepted Artemis Langford.

These six girls were suing the sorority because they wanted to prevent Kappa Kappa Gamma from accepting transgender people.

The sorority is the hero here for successfully defending its decision to accept transgender members.

Show threadSmoogyAug 29, 2023
I see you didn’t read it nor the write up directly at the top.
Show threadGrammaton ClericAug 29, 2023
Reading is fundamental 😉
Show threadstopthatgirl7Aug 29, 2023
This is all just absolutely wild to me because I went to an all-women’s college and we had no issues accepting trans women (there was a trans woman there when I was a student and it was honestly no big thing for anyone), and that was quite a while ago (I’m so old lol). But NOW it’s a damn issue? I feel like we’ve regressed so much and it’s painful.
Show threadTb0n3Aug 29, 2023
Were they living in your house?
Show threadstopthatgirl7Aug 29, 2023

Not in my dorm, no. But she was living on campus in a dorm and no one seemed to give the smallest of fucks at the time. I wouldn’t have cared in the slightest had she been living in my dorm.

Oh and.

Anassa kata kalo kale,
Ia, ia, ia, Nike!
Bryn Mawr, Bryn Mawr, Bryn Mawr
TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN.

Show threadTb0n3Aug 29, 2023
Women with traumatic pasts can be afraid of they want. Just look at what happens in prisons when a transsexual mtf goes into female population and ends up having a bunch of sex or even raping other inmates. It’s not like it’s completely out of the realm of possibility.
Show threadIchNichtenLichtenAug 29, 2023
Can you cite an example of this ever happening?
Show threadTb0n3Aug 29, 2023
First result on Google.
Lawsuit: Female Prisoner Says She Was Raped by Transgender Inmate

An inmate at Illinois’ largest women’s prison says she was raped by a transgender inmate and claims Illinois Department of Corrections officials conducted a “sham investigation” to help cover up the incident.

WTTW News
Show threadstopthatgirl7Aug 29, 2023
Women in prison have a lot more to fear from guards than trans women prisoners. If you’re really so worried about sexual assault of women in prisons, that’s where your efforts should actually be focused.
'They were monsters': Avalanche of lawsuits accuse New York prison guards of sexually abusing inmates

New York State is facing an onslaught of lawsuits accusing prison officers of sexually abusing adult inmates, litigation allowed under a new one-year window for survivors to sue, regardless of when the abuse occurred.

Buffalo News
Show threadTb0n3Aug 29, 2023
Why add any more risks? Just because one thing is a high risk doesn’t mean another thing can’t also be a risk.
Show threadstopthatgirl7Aug 29, 2023

Look at you, completely ignoring the real dangers to women to focus on a minuscule one.

This is just your excuse to hate on trans folks. You don’t really give the first flying fuck about women. As a woman: leave us out of it. We don’t need your kind of “defense.”

Show threadTb0n3Aug 29, 2023
Just because you don’t like what other women believe doesn’t mean they can’t believe it.
Show threadZodiacSF1969Aug 29, 2023

I never thought I’d see a thread on Lemmy arguing that a group of young women should be forced to live with someone that they clearly font want to.

Good for you for arguing with them, I don’t have the energy this morning.

Show threadIchNichtenLichtenAug 29, 2023

Your second example is false. Your first points to a systemic problem with Riker’s as evidenced here: …nyc.gov/…/39-2021 rikers-island-violence-indictm…

“Since Grand Juries re-convened in late February/March of 2021, the Rikers Island Prosecution Bureau has indicted 37 cases involving assaults on staff as well as assaults by detainees on detainees. The majority of the cases were brought to the bureau by Department of Correction’s Correction Intelligence Bureau as investigations. There are currently approximately 268 open investigations.”

Looks like you found one example in amongst a whole bunch of other assaults which were not committed by trans people.

Show threadTb0n3Aug 29, 2023
3 links. And if there’s even one it can certainly make rape victims uncomfortable about sharing a living space with men, or “penis havers”. Maybe they’re in a sorority to stay away from dicks.
Show threadstopthatgirl7Aug 29, 2023
It’s so wild how you seem to think trans women are sexual deviants and that female rape victims cower in terror at the thought of a penis in their general vicinity.
Show threadTb0n3Aug 29, 2023
I thought you people were all about safe spaces.
Show threadWindInTreesAug 29, 2023
And clearly you people are all about inventing boogymen.
Show threadieatpillowtagsAug 29, 2023
Aaand there it is. Fuck off troll.
Show thread108Aug 29, 2023
You people...
Show threadTb0n3Aug 29, 2023
Yes. Far left, terminally online.
Show threadIchNichtenLichtenAug 29, 2023

I missed the first one, that’s problematic as an example, did you read what you linked to? The Guardian one is false.

The Riker’s one does seem to support your assertion but it’s mixed in with a whole bunch of other assaults because it’s Riker’s.

Show threadTb0n3Aug 29, 2023
I literally do not care enough to read the articles, but you’re saying that one of them proved my point. You asked for one. Apparently I gave you one and again you’re shifting the goal posts.
Show threadIchNichtenLichtenAug 29, 2023
The best you could come up with was one perpetrated at one of the most lawless and violent prisons in the country, one that is not fit for purpose but hey, you think you won an argument so you enjoy that.
Show threadDeeAug 29, 2023

I literally do not care enough to read the articles

Which is another reason your opinion can be thrown promptly in the trash. Can’t even be bothered to read the sources and yet want to appear as some authority on the subject. Laughable, disingenuous behavior.

Show threadTb0n3Aug 29, 2023
When the fuck did I say I was an authority on anything? I’m just expressing possibilities that could make everyone in this thread who has their mind made up completely reconsider. Your opinion is not the only opinion and not necessarily the correct one either.
Show threadWindInTreesAug 29, 2023

I literally do not care enough to read the articles

Oops, you said the quiet part out loud! LMAO

Show threadTb0n3Aug 29, 2023
I don’t care to put in the minimum effort over a stupid internet argument.
Show threadWindInTreesAug 30, 2023
You don’t seem to put in the effort to have a well-informed belief either.
Show threadstopthatgirl7Aug 29, 2023

Oh, you’re one of those types, huh.

But please. Continue telling a woman who has a “traumatic past” what we can or can no be afraid of (thank you OH so much for your benevolent permission 🙄). I’m not in the slightest afraid of trans women, never have been, and oh, hey, trans women are more likely to be victims of sexual assault that perpetrators of it. But go off.

Transgender people over four times more likely than cisgender people to be victims of violent crime

Williams Institute
Show threadTb0n3Aug 29, 2023
I’m not telling any woman anything. I’m merely pointing out that there’s real people with real issues that are ignored when you just blanket all it ridiculous. You don’t have to be in a group to be able to point out rationales.
Show threadstopthatgirl7Aug 29, 2023

Uh huh.

Look at you, completely blowing off the words of a woman in that group you’re supposedly defending. But then, I’m saying something you don’t want to hear and doesn’t fit the narrative you’ve constructed as your excuse to hate trans folks.

Stop using women as your excuse. You don’t care about us, not really. If you did, you’d be out there protesting with that same full-throatedness at male guards assaulting women in prisons and the 1-in-4 statistic. But you’re not. You’re raging at a marginalized group that is statistically more often the victim of assaults than the ones doing it. But you don’t care at all about that, do you.

The only person you’re fooling is yourself.

Show threadTb0n3Aug 29, 2023
The one in four statistic is bullshit. All I’m doing is saying that they have the right to not like it. If they have reasons it doesn’t matter what they are. It’s their house where they live, where they sleep where they shower. They want to feel safe and they don’t feel safe so they are making complaints and everyone in this thread is calling them bigots because they don’t like it.
Show threadstopthatgirl7Aug 30, 2023

The one in four statistic is bullshit

Yeah, you’re not worth any more of my time and you definitely don’t actually care about women. You have the mediocre day you deserve.

Show threadAlteonAug 29, 2023
Won’t anyone think of the __________!..so that we have an excuse to continually strip you of rights and privileges. You won’t be any safer than you were before this WAY overblown issue, but we’ve now made it more difficult for this one targeted minority group to coexist with OUR group, and you’ve lost the right to do X, Y, and Z. But hey, atleast you’ve saved the ____________ from having to go through my totally hyperbolic scenario.
Show threadstopthatgirl7Aug 29, 2023
And it is just effing W I L D how women are told they need to just suck it up it they’re nervous around men because of a past sexual assault (“Not all men! You can’t judge half the species by one bad guy!” Etc etc), but it’s completely OK for women to be nervous around trans women if they were sexually assaulted by a man. Weird how they insist trans women are men but you never hear that same “not all men! You can’t judge all men based on the actions of one bad guy!” thing when it’s that scenario, huh.
Show threadDessertStormsAug 29, 2023
Louder for the people in the back!
Show threadShaggySnacksAug 29, 2023

“You can’t let trans women, use the woman’s washroom. They’ll rape the women!”

Pretty sure a women going into a bathroom has never stopped a rapist before.

Show threadHonytawkAug 29, 2023

Because rapes don’t happen in a completely cis prison?

I bet they happen even more than with trans inmates.

Don’t drop your soap.

Show threadTb0n3Aug 29, 2023
One thing more bad which means thing that less bad not exist.
Show threadMaturinAug 29, 2023
I’m worried women with traumatic pasts are afraid of Tb0n3 using the internet, so I think we should ban Tb0n3 from using the internet to make these unnamed women feel less afraid. In fact, we take away all of Tb0n3’s access to any electronic devices while we figure this out. We have to do it to keep women safe.
Show threadTb0n3Aug 29, 2023
I’m merely defending their right to use the argument. And there’s a massive difference between somebody saying things on the Internet and somebody sharing a bathroom or sleeping in the next room.
Show threadEnsign_CrabAug 29, 2023

I’m merely defending their right to use the argument.

Bullshit. You’re using them as shields for your own bigotry against the trans people you hate.

Show threadMaturinAug 29, 2023
I already said others might not feel safe if you were allowed to use electronics, yet here you are again, completely insisting on using this site despite the harm you may cause. We should probably get law enforcement involved at this point, just so these people I imagined might be afraid can be safe. They can forcibly take away your computer and phone while the rest of us figure this out. Sure, you think there is a massive difference, but that is just something someone dangerous like you would say to trick them. More proof that you need to remain banned from participation.
Show threadTb0n3Aug 29, 2023
Are you retarded?
Show threadMaturinAug 29, 2023
Bigoted against LGBT and now slurs against disabled people. It didn’t take much for your red armband to start showing, did it? I’d hate to hear what you think about Jews.
Show threadTb0n3Aug 29, 2023
Again. There you are being retarded. Have you been outside in the past 10 years? Ever? You keep trying to read my mind but fail miserably.
Show threadMaturinAug 29, 2023
Doubling down on the hate speech I see. Is this your programming glitching? I’ve heard AI has trouble when the conversation goes more than a couple of lines, but I didn’t know it went into full on KKK mode. At least, I hope you are AI, given how easy it was to get you to show some true hateful colors.
Show threadTb0n3Aug 29, 2023
Honestly if you think I’m KKK or even racist from what I’ve said you need to get out more. Maybe look up the definition of race and figure out that women being uncomfortable sharing women only spaces with transsexuals is not a race.
Show threadMaturinAug 29, 2023
I didn’t call you racist. So far your bigotry has been anti-trans and anti-disability. I fear you may be antisemitic too, since that is sort of the historic formula that people like talking about so much. And now you use anti-trans slurs on top of your anti-disable slurs. If it sounds like a bigot. But this is all a waste of time. Didn’t we already establish that women are uncomfortable sharing the internet with you and, therefore, you should not be allowed here anymore? Why are you still posting all of your vile hate?
Show threadTb0n3Aug 29, 2023
Watch out you don’t dislocate your arm with all that reaching. Maybe look up what the KKK was/is before you deny calling me racist. And when did I use anti-trans slurs? Calling somebody a retard has been a thing for a long time and it’s still well in use. Just because you think I’m saying it to be mean to the mentally retarded doesn’t mean that I am. And now we’re all done with the personal attacks, yeah? Maybe you can quit being an abusive asshole.
Show threadMaturinAug 29, 2023
I am just trying to protect fearful women from you, including your hate filled, slur-ridden speech. And if you want me to call you a racist too, OK, you are racist too. All the more reason for all of your devices to be kept away from you, for the protection of all those women of course. You can deny your Klan status all you like, but when you parrot alt-right talking points, and double down on slurs (also, they taught us to stop using r****d like 30 years ago, what chatbot planet do you live on where that’s OK?), we surely won’t take your word for it. Again, you don’t understand that people are really afraid of you, so it is better to err on the side of caution and protect everyone from you. You may not feel like you are dangerous, but aren’t you the worst person to judge your potential danger to others? Again, I am just here to protect women and apparently the mentally disabled and probably the Jews from you, so please stay off the internet until the rest of us decide you are not a threat. It will just be a few decades, surely you don’t mind.
Show threadstopthatgirl7Aug 30, 2023
I just want to thank you very much for the laugh your comment gave me. I legit giggled reading it.
Show threadseitanicAug 30, 2023
Defending transphobic arguments is a bad hobby. You should get a different one.