thehatfoxThe end of the Googleverse
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A writer for the site, interviewed under the pseudonym Michael Hugedisk, told Wired in 2007 that their three-person team linked to a webpage selling pro-George W. Bush merchandise and was able to make it the top result on Google if you searched “dumb motherfucker.”
Per Sullivan’s logic, Google Groups added better discovery to both Usenet and the myriad other message boards and online communities creating proto-meme culture at the time.
Alex Turvy, a sociologist specializing in digital culture, said it’s hard to map our current understanding of virality and platform optimization to the earliest days of Google, but there are definitely similarities.
Alice Marwick, a communications professor and author of The Private Is Political: Networked Privacy and Social Media, told The Verge that it wasn’t until Myspace launched in 2003 that we started to even develop the idea of internet fame.
In 2004, he won a competition Google held to google-bomb itself with the made-up term “nigritude ultramarine.” Since then, Dash has written extensively over the years on the impact platform optimization has had on the way the internet works.
On top of it all, OpenAI’s massively successful ChatGPT has dragged Google into a race against Microsoft to build a completely different kind of search, one that uses a chatbot interface supported by generative AI.
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Michael Hugedisk 🤣
BlizzardThe article is very long and this bot doesn’t properly summurizes it. It looks like it just takes some random sentences from the article and puts them together.
Ok, but I liked the pseudonym Hugedisk > Hugedick
He definitely has bolts of steel! to properly mount such a huge disk)
𝓢𝓮𝓮𝓙𝓪𝔂𝓔𝓶𝓶This is a terrible tldr. Just go read the article.
It’s far from over
𝘋𝘪𝘳𝘬The only REAL replacement I’m still looking for is YouTube. Sure, Peertube and proxy sites for YouTube exist. But the amount of content I am interested in is by dozens of decimals larger an YouTube than on any other alternative combined.
And, yes, of course, the search engine.
CookieJarObserverJust use duck duck go. Its better in all regards.
I truly wish this was true. But for work, everything I search on ddg is just not useful
AopenIts better in all regards.
I wish it was true. My strategy is to use ddg in first try to find something and switch to google when ddg ducks in wrong way. Currently google is better in images and searching for “this particular site” instead of answer on any site
I tried DDG many times for work. Often I don’t find the result I want at all. I try different queries and all, but I only find barely relevant shit. I switch to Google, and immediately the top result is exactly what I want.
Exactly the opposite for me
S410Odysee seems to be doing relatively well. Probably 20-30% of the YouTubers I watch are also on there.
kratoz29I legit didn’t know about this service, looks cool, but I don’t fully understand how it works.
ExcrubulentI’m hoping that as the fediverse grows it will start to accrue enough capacity to sustain a strong video hosting platform like peertube.
Social media has a network effect where the more people use it the more attractive it gets, and because the fediverse can interconnect between different formats I see it as inevitable that eventually it will take over, because it can manage a much more comprehensive network than any centralised site.
Once it becomes more mainstream, server capacity should increase until it can handle the world’s video sharing as well.
I’m still skeptical whether the fediverse will get as big as the current social media now. We already had a big problem with the recent CSAM spamming by trolls.
Not to say it’s a bad thing. I think having a contraction of social media is better for our mental health because it fosters a better sense of community. Like when you live in a smallish town vs living in a big city. Each has its own drawbacks. But with the loneliness epidemic we’re experiencing right now, it’s better to have something that we can use to feel like we belong to something.
Maybe it’s not like that for everyone. I’m a person who’s always valued quality over quantity interactions. I kept my social circles small but I kept in touch with everyone. Especially now with the abundance of tools, like Discord. Even after having my own family I still show up at the Discord call with my friends after the kids are all asleep just to check in with my friends.
Yes the CSAM attack is a problem, but there are already tools to automatically flag potential CSAM, we just need to integrate them. Unfortunately social media is a natural monopoly, and there are corporate entities that currently make up that monopoly, and that is causing a lot of social problems. The only way to combat those problems is to create something that displaces those monopolies.
Like facebook released a report that compared different personal feeds, one that creates an algorithmically generated mix of all the crap that facebook currently shows you and selectively ignores friend updates, versus one that just gives you just your friends’ updates.
They found people stayed on the site longer with the algorithmic feed than the simple friends feed, and they inperpreted that as meaning people like the algorithm better. Of course they ignored the fact that maybe people like seeing the updates they asked for and then getting on with the rest of their day because they are sated.
Facebook doesn’t care about that, they want retention, so they interpret retention as user “desire” to justify pushing this algorithm on them. There’s a whole spiel here about how capitalism operates on addiction but this comment is long enough already.
It’s enough to say that these algorithms contributed to a genocide in Myanmar because facebook established themselves as the de facto internet. They knew the algorithm was exacerbating racial tensions, but also turning down the genocide dial would make them less money, so they kept it turned up.
I think it’s worth creating an alternative where people have control of their own feeds because the algorithms are open source, and it’s worth working hard on. The information ecosystem is maybe one of the most important things we need to fight things like climate change. Like the stakes are more than just our personal comfort.
Did you use reddit 10 years ago or longer? The Fediverse is already significantly more stable and a better user experience in comparison.
jcrabappleStartPage is a good engine if you want cleaned up Google results. But I highly recommend subscribing to Kagi.
Try Nebula! It’s a bunch of YouTube creators who got together to make their own platform for video content. The price is quite reasonable and the videos are the same you would see on YouTube but often a few days early and with the sponsorship ads removed.
whileloopNebula is excellent! If you have more money, you can try Floatplane too.
somedaysoonI would rather not support Linus.
I use nebula more than youtube now tbh, only reason I hop on YouTube is to watch people that aren’t on Nebula
maegul (he/they)I hope alternatives to youtube like Nebula and peertube find their footing, but I can’t help but suspect that youtube has and will continue to find the successful path in this social media era. I’m not a youtuber or anything, so I don’t really know any details about how it works, but the way they seem provide a platform with monetisation and brand building possibilities built in seems pretty effective/pragmatic for a platform that needs to find someway to work within capitalism.
PHLAKDuck Duck Go has been nothing but great since I switched a few months ago. It’s like Google from 10 years ago.
If I need to find really obscure stuff Google is still better.
Seriously. I hate the censorship going on on youtube.
I’ve been looking for a replacement for Google Keep for so long and can not seem to find one.
There was a thread on the android community recently about that, I think. If you want to dig through there. I think the consensus though was that it is pretty hard to replace.
If you don’t mind me asking, could you please link me to the android community? Still trying to find my way around the Lemmyverse.
Sounds like you got what you needed, but here’s the link anyway.
Tick_DracyWhat does Keep has, that any mediocre note app can’t do?
It’s probably one of the most irrelevant Google Apps, when talking about replacements.
Syncing within a server so I can use it flawlessly cross platform.
Biggest issue though is that I’m also trying to figure out how to export all of the data I’ve put on there over time. Once I have that all exported, I can move elsewhere.
I made tinylist as a replacement for Keep. Syncs across devices, allows import of Keep data.
You can use Google TakeOut for this.
And there we go.
Thanks, I’ll have a look and try doing this later on.
camr_onI went with obsidian which has several ways to sync across platforms. My preference is with git so that I can back everything up at the same time, but there’s also a built-in sync service
Notion should cover your use case. Not FOSS, but is is free.
Notion is way too overkill as a Keeps replacement I guess.
0xbCompletely agree. I try not to use it but don’t really have a similar replacement. For some reason there are tons of notes apps, but the ones that kind of resemble keep fall short of the easiness and practicality of it.
Right now I’m just waiting for Quillpad to add sync capabilities to see if we are finally there.
NotesNook
TigbittiesGoogle SEO has homogenized the internet with vapid marketing content. The internet is one big commercial. The reason Reddit got popular was because communities found and shared good content and created more by talking about it. Now ads are disguised as posts and memes.
The internet is getting as bad as radio.
OhaThe internet is getting as bad as radio.
Lemmy kinda feels like the 2000’s internet and I love it
edit: formatting
Brisolo32i didn’t get to experience the 2000s internet and I’ve been loving lemmy
PatternThe whole internet used to be like this and it was lovely.
Let’s not romanticize the old web too much. It had its problems too:
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Half-done html pages with
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Autoplaying midi from songs probably from Limp Bizkit, Metallica, Blink 182, etc. Did I mention that MIDI volumes count as separate from normal ‘Media’ volumes, and were often cranked to the MAX?
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It was a time when HTML/CSS/JS would chaotically intertwine with proprietary plugins like Flash and ActiveX. “Best viewed from Internet Explorer at 800x600” was a thing. Readability? Accessibility? Forget about it.
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You paid by minute on dial-up connection until ADSL appeared. Good luck trying to download that
tenchi_muyo_hentai.jpg.
That was more the 90s - the time of things like Geocities - than the 2000s.
By the 2000s there had already been one Internet Boom & Bust and things on the Internet were way more comercialized than is earlier times of handmade sites, pre-CSS webpages and ActiveX components.
Cries in 2001 birth year.
SubArcticTundraThe generation typically being defined as people born from 1981 to 1996
From Wikipedia
After that is Gen Z and Gen Alpha starts somewhere around 2010
That generational ‘designation’ has been changed so many times it’s not credible.
Gen X was originally they ‘children of the baby boomers’. If someone was born in 1981, they were young Gen X for most of their life, now they are told they are ‘Millennials’
I grew up around cousins who were all older than me, so I think I was influenced more by 90s culture than most of my peers. I think you and I are the awkward in-between.
Yes this is how I feel
1997 is a funny birthyear 😀 on one hand you grow up in “traditionell way” and thus you understand older folks who don’t understand new slang but on the other hand you understand the digital natives who grow up with all that attention grabbing BS.
Yeah, I feel like people born up until around the early 00s still got to experience what life without smartphones & social media was like
For just a few years, yes.
The older you get, the more you see generational cuttoffs as a load of bullshit.
Imagine content creation that was done purely for the fun of creating content and sharing info, albeit with literally zero hope of receiving any money. Better in some ways, worse in others.
this seems perfect