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IsaacGet. Away. From. Google.
bassomitronIt’s really that simple for much of their products. I really don’t understand why people still insist on using chrome, in particular. Google is a horrible company that would literally sell you into slavery if it was legal and they thought it’d boost their ad business somehow.
Sabre363Part of the problem is that Google has an entire ecosystem that is ridiculously useful and is designed to hook people and keep them around. And once they’re hooked it’s really hard to move away from, even if it’s in their best interest.
Unfortunately, parts of that ecosystem start deteriorating as they slowly abandon the product, until it reaches a point of being borderline useless. Then, they just deactivate it with little to no warning. Sometimes they just shut things down even if they’re popular (such as Google Poly).
For example, their line of home security cameras are getting worse in quality and usefulness. I feel like it’s only a matter of time until the Nest service shuts down.
I don’t think Google will shut down nest anytime soon. They gather very useful telemetry about their “customers” and use that data to train models, and ah-hoc send your front door video to law enforcement whenever they want it.
Perhaps, but there is absolutely no development or bug fixing happening on their software. There hasn’t been a software update in years, and the hardware has been a crapshoot for just as long.
Everyone says Apple’s walled garden is a problem.
Google built something far more insidious. higher walls but glass, no garden just a swamp of ads.
They are all part of the same walled shit hole disguised in a veneer of shiny new products and empty promises.
Sure. It’s just funny to watch people pick Google because Apple is bad.
At least Apple isn’t selling every price of your data to advertisers.
Apple hatred is mostly people who have never used it.
Everyone has used Google.
Google is inarguably worse but people get religious about it. As long as they can think of one thing Google does better, they will justify the abuse.
Sort of like republican voters.
Apple is almost certainly selling your data, perhaps not to same extent as Google, but personal data is literally these companies biggest commodity.
Yep. That’s the justification I was talking about.
People have a blindness to Apple so they let Google take their data.
Google has lots of problems but “a walled garden” it absolutely is not.
There’s an open source version of Android with hundreds of forks.
There’s an open source version of Chrome with dozens of forks.
You can install literally any APK you want on Android without any workaround shitfuckery, rooting or jailbreaking.
All Google apps are available on iOS and MacOS.
People use Google products because, from a pure user standpoint, they’re a compelling option.
You can sign up for a Google Workspace account and have virtually everything you need to run a business at a compelling price. And it all works quite well.
None of that means they aren’t using their domination nefariously but it sure as shit is not a walled garden.
This reads like a Google ad. I know you’re not a Google marketing shill. They don’t need it. Their users will justify their own choice to the point their literally lose the scope of the thread.
Not so much a Google ad as it is shitting on Apple
bob_wileyThere are decent alternatives to pretty much everything. YouTube and Maps are the two standouts, but both of those can be used without an account. There are other Maps as well, Google just seems to have the most business information and reviews.
For search I use Kagi, but DuckDuckGo is a free alternative for those who can’t afford to pay for search.
Proton offers Email, Calendar, and cloud storage… and recently a password manager as well. For those in the Apple ecosystem, iCloud is an option as well. There is also Microsoft. Or host your own.
For docs, there is Microsoft’s online stuff, iCloud has stuff, and I think there are a few other smaller players as well. Actual desktop apps are also still an option, like LibreOffice.
If someone has an old gmail account, that can be a lot of work to migrate, but all the other stuff can go and the email process can begin. My gmail account is 90% nonsense these days.
It all depends on how deeply a person is invested in all the various Google services. Once you start and give it some time, a lot of the stuff you may have thought you needed to migrate could just age out and become irrelevant.
Microsoft is not really an alternative lol
DojanDepends on your goals I think. Microsoft isn’t very likely to ever abandon their office suite, since it’s an integral part of their business. Google could do that tomorrow.
If you want to get away from big evil corporations, then no they’re obviously not an alternative.
I think there are Google Docs clones you could self-host.
sabOnlyOffice, which is included in NextCloud and allows for co-editing, works fine in my experience. Microsoft Office Online is slightly more sophisticated, but it also feels more bloated in my experience.
There's also a markdown editor allowing for co-authoring in OnlyOffice though. It lacks proper track changes, but for drafting up a document together it's great. Then you can just convert to word or latex when it's time to revise.
For most of my co-authoring needs I use Overleaf though, which is a fantastic online Latex editor.
There are certainly options! Good old LibreOffice is still around too.
Yes! The ones I listed are just my preferred solutions for simultaneous co-authoring. Whenever I just need regular office software LibreOffice is my go to. :)
I would argue that anything from Microsoft or Apple are not good, safe alternatives to Google.
At least their not advertising companies, although Microsoft has gone all-in on generative AI, so I think we can assume anything you do there will feed the beast.
Apple has seemed pretty consistent when it comes to not wanting to do shit with user data, or have access to it. But if you’re not already in the ecosystem, their products would be annoying to use, and there is a solid argument to make about avoiding falling into any ecosystem… there are arguments for it too.
When talking about smaller companies, the future becomes really unsure. Will Dropbox survive in a world of Google Drive, OneDrive, and iCloud? Will the smaller companies allow themselves to be acquired to satisfy investors and then get promptly shutdown?
With a lot of it I have to question how much I need it. Do I need something like Google Docs or Word to write a paper, or can I just do it in a text editor, store it in plain text, which will be readable by everything forever, and then just do a little formatting in whatever word processor I want in the moment, if I need to hand off a fancy copy for school or whatever.
doublejay1999Meth is useful for keeping me awake but I still don’t use it