alphacyberranger1 killed, 4 wounded in shooting in Copenhagen's Christiania neighborhood, police in Denmark say
Mr_BlottTIL about the Christiana commune. Interesting!
I love that story! I tell it every time someone tries to sell me on anarchism.
Christiana was an old military complex that the government gave up on, so anarchist squatters moved in.
Soon they realized, that they needed some way to decide matters that concerned everyone. So they formed small councils, and in these councils they each chose some people to represent them in one big council. These people weren’t elected politicians, just people chosen to represent them. They then voted on issues, and no, that wasn’t a form of democracy. It’s still anarchism.
Then then realized, that the upkeep of common areas and infrastructure costs money, so they required that everyone paid their share. That obviously weren’t taxes. Just mandatory contributions.
When organized crime started to spread, they decided on some mandatory rules (you read right: these weren’t laws, just mandatory rules that you had to keep if you didn’t want to face punishment). Then they chose some strong men that should make sure the rules were followed. No, not police men. Just concerned strong men.
They worked together with Kopenhagen’s police. Basically, they’d call the cops and then drag the offenders outside of Christiania to the waiting cops.
Part of the rules were that it wasn’t allowed to consume hard drugs or to wear motor cycle gang attire.
So in the end, they had no politicians, no government, no taxes and no police force. Just things that where basically identical to these things. The only thing they really don’t have is a prison, because they outsourced that to Kopenhagen.
Anarchism directly leads to a form of government, no matter how you call it.
If you want an opposite example, how anarchism lead to an anarcho-capitalistic nightmare, where the community decended into a rule by organized crime, google the Kowloon Walled City. It’s equally interesting.
DessertStormsAnarchism directly leads to a form of government,
yes, and anarchism never claimed otherwise.
What you're deliberately ignoring is that anarchists organise horizontally, not from the top down, and also that capitalism is inherently incompatible with anarchism since it demands hierarchy, and hierarchy is what anarchism opposes.
So basically your entire snide and ill informed comment here is irrelevant, since you clearly just pulled a bunch of propaganda out of your ass and have never spent more than 30 seconds researching what anarchism actually is.
And yet I'm sure you feel super proud of yourself.
Cllown.
Well, I’ve never heard of a well-informed anarchist either, so there you go.
They just don’t understand any of the basics of organisation.
They just base their whole ideology on the delusion that everybody’s just gonna play nice, nobody will want to do anything for their advantage and, cucially, that crime just doesn’t exist.
I wanna see how any anarchist society deals with a murder. Or with someone who is dangerously mentally ill.
But that’s already much too high for anarchists, who barely understand basic human incentives.
cachesonWell, I’ve never heard of a well-informed anarchist either, so there you go.
They just don’t understand any of the basics of organisation.
It sounds like you haven't had much interaction with anarchists beyond maybe high-school, and haven't read anything that we've written.
Also, police organizations complain that anarchist activist groups are too hard to infiltrate because there's too much reading to do:
Infiltration is made more difficult by the communal nature of the lifestyle (under constant observation and scrutiny) and the extensive knowledge held by many anarchists, which require a considerable amount of study and time to acquire.
Literally "I can't blend in with these fucking nerds because they read too much".
They just base their whole ideology on the delusion that everybody’s just gonna play nice, nobody will want to do anything for their advantage and, cucially, that crime just doesn’t exist.
Our philosophy is centered around dealing with the organized crime of the state and the exploitation of the capitalists. If you generally can't trust people to play nice, putting a few of them in positions of power tends to make the problem worse, not better.
I wanna see how any anarchist society deals with a murder.
Which aspect of it? Basic security is pretty simple, and there's a number of ways to provision it. Forensics would be handled by contracting professional specialists. Trials would be handled by a polycentric legal system (as opposed to the monocentric one that we currently have). Punishment would generally be in the form of either restitution paid by the perpetrator to the victim (or next of kin), or exile.
But that’s already much too high for anarchists, who barely understand basic human incentives.
C'mon now, this is just confidentlyincorrect material.
Anarchist Direct Actions: A Challenge for Law Enforcement
A 2004 article written from an academic/police perspective, which "provides a descriptive, operational analysis of the modern anarchist movement, emphasizing the actions of the criminal anarchists and implications for US law enforcement."
Ok, let’s just roll with it. You have your local legal system convict a murderer. He has no means to pay restitution, so what do you do? Forced labour?
Or you exile that person. And he just won’t leave. What now? Or he comes back with his gun and kills the jurors who convicted him. What now?
Do we now also have a private security force that puts him into a private prison? Or who do a privately paid lynching? So now we are down to mercenaries doing policing for those who can afford their own little private army to keep them safe.
Where’s the voluntary cooperation here?
The “forensics only for those who can afford it” stance was already straight up anarchicapitalistic.
Literally “I can’t blend in with these fucking nerds because they read too much”.
You can say the same of a Marvel comics fan club. That’s not a measurement.