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Maybe I’m out of the loop but are eSIMs insecure or something? What’s the problem? I started using eSIMs while traveling overseas and it been a game changer. So easy… No more swapping. No more trying to find a Sim provider at the airport etc.
CookieJarObserverThey are a privacy problem.
What are those privacy problems?
I guess there’s the fact that you cannot anonymously purchase an eSIM.
Anything else?
circuitfarmerThat’s a big one. It introduces a privacy concern that traditional SIMs dont have, and if all phones use eSIM, there will be no alternative.
As with many things tech, it’s a slippery slope, and short-term convenience leads to long-term detriment. But if you don’t care about privacy, then yes, enjoy the convenience of an eSIM.
doesn’t most the world require registering for a regular sim anyway?
Yeah, I don’t understand where people are getting a SIM card nowadays without an ID or verification.
AFAIK esim is not available everywhere and it’s also less private since you need to register an account to activate rather than pay cash and pop in the card.
Yes eSIM adoption is low, but half the world requires you to register either way. The main concern is the friction (sometimes inability) with swapping eSIM’s between phones. They are great and convenient but they should never be the only option.
KeltesethIn the eu you have to register your regular sim card with your full personal information. So for us nothing would change.
South Africa too. We called it RICA
Iirc the US also started requiring it, too.
Agreed, except that it can still be more difficult to get an eSIM than a physical SIM in some parts of the world. It depends on where you are traveling.
That probably won’t be an issue in the next couple of years.
What I like about physical Sims is I can easily swap it between different devices without need to login into a website or app to transfer it over.
Is esim that convient when it comes to swapping the same sim between different devices?
PupBirui’d say it’s a toss up really: personally i’d prefer logging into an account rather than having to find/carry something to pop open the sim tray, but i can see why some people would prefer that option
If you’re someone who needs to swap SIM cards just keep the tool between the phone’s backside and its case. If you don’t have a case on your own then… The fuck you doing playing with fire like that bruh?
synae[he/him]No need to waste money on a phone case if you smash your phone or throw it in a river every time you make a call. You don’t want the feds to catch up with you, right?
Seeing some of the crowd around here I wouldn’t be surprised if and of them only use burner phones…
I keep it on my keys. You need those to get into your house/apartment/vehicle anyways.
that’s very fair!
i don’t actually have keys - everything is phone or watch, but i’m definitely an outlier!
Understandable.
Stringer Bell over with your SIM card shenanigans.
Is esim that convient when it comes to swapping the same sim between different devices?
Well with e-sims you just sign in on a new phone and you’re done. I much prefer that to having to have a physical sim card. With a physical sim card if you lose your phone you’re shit out of luck until you can get a replacement sim, which could take days.
If I lose a phone that’s a big issue that doesn’t even have to do with a sim.
Anyways, how easy is it to swap an esim to a phone when all you have is the two phones (one with active esim and other no service) at hand with no wifi available?
With physical I just pop it out and in, but what’s the process for esim swapping in that scenario?
Create a wifi hotspot.
If I lose a phone that’s a big issue that doesn’t even have to do with a sim.
Sure, but you might have another old phone you can use, or can go to the shops to buy a new one before you can get a new sim card.
My inquiry isn’t sim or phone replacement. It’s how well does esim replicate the swapping process between devices that physical Sims do.
And all phones these days have esim capabilities. So this more how good enough is esim to do without physical sim card as phones will copy the Apple removing trend again.
I’d say it’s pretty handy if you don’t have an ejector pin on you. Don’t have to take the phone out of the case either
Omg how surprising.
AlmightySnoo 🐢🇮🇱🇺🇦For now it’s only a rumor based on a leaked renders, it could be that the renders simply didn’t have all the details. I’d be very surprised if Google really ditched physicals SIM cards as that would definitely hurt sales.
I dunno, they ditched the headphone jack when they shouldn’t have.
Same goed for shipping power adapters with phones
To be fair, most headphone jacks were utter trash so it did not bother me too much, but I used to specifically choose LG because they had built in quad DACs for their phones. I choose a pixel now because it is the best phone otherwise.
I’d rather have that than nothing.
After years of eSim, wanting eSim, asking for nothing but eSim, I’m done with eSim. Having an argument with a T-Mobile rep in store on whether or not my Pixel 7 has an eSim made me no longer want eSim. I want my phone and its service to be as self service as possible, and managing my own sim seems to be my best option.
setVeryLoud(true);I mean, technically an eSim is just a QR code provided to you by your provider, just like they provide you a SIM card. None of their fucking business whether your device supports it.
The Pixel does support eSim and QR code setup.
T-Mobile will only support QR code setup for Samsungs and iPhones, though. You have to call in if you have a Pixel.
The QR codes aren’t tied to any brand. Next time just tell them it’s a Samsung phone.
They are for T-Mobile. I tried using it on my Pixel; it didn’t work.
Okay, that sounds like a Tmobile problem, not an eSIM problem.
And what makes it more frustrating with T-Mobile is they don’t allow their customers to go online and swap a phone themselves. You HAVE to go in or call. My brother got a Pixel 7, and we couldn’t swap his 5 out for the 7 online.
I looked everywhere on that shitty website, the closest thing they had was an option “upgrade my phone” that just took you to their online store. Fuck TMobile, I hate them so much.
N-E-NAs someone who switched between my iPhone and Pixel regularly for fun, this would kinda be a dealbreaker
Do people not remember how fucking annoying this shit was before physical SIM cards?
I remember vzw being on 3g and not having Sims. It made changing phones a bit of a hassle. I hated having to either go into a store or call in. Hopefully there's better ways in the future if this does happen.
Especially the original Droids
AlbumIt was annoying before because there was no sim. You had to register your device with the carrier for it to work.
E-sim is different. You can have multiple esims on one phone and even move them to other phones.
To setup an esim you need google framework and play installed (grapheneos is out, except you install Google)
This is the idea behind… More control
you need google framework and play installed
Nonstarter for me then 👎 frustrating why these companies insist on using Google’s infra instead of creating or adopting an actual celluar standard
Only to initially install it. After you install the esim, you can purge the Google stuff and it’ll remain working perfectly. Esim is actually on your phone at the hardware level.
I don’t think this is true?
I use calyx which has only microg and I’ve successfully used esims.
It’s somewhere on the GrapheneOS website, Says to install you need google play, you can delete it afterwords. That said calyx has microg
And the app which enables esim support is proprietary, and sends device identifiers to Google. It’s about control.
Nah, I use GrapheneOS. Unfortunately you need to install the play store/services initially to services and “enabled privileged esim access” in the network access to install esim. After that though, you can purge all the Google crap and easily uninstall it all. Esim will remain in your phone, even if you were to factory reset and reflash to another OS. You just have install esim only once and it’s actually stored on the hardware level.
ObiniceIf I don’t have a SIM card slot, how do I plan on using my phone to… oh I don’t know, use a mobile phone network?
And how exactly will I swap between networks at will, by swapping SIMs, if I can’t swap SIMs?
Ridiculous.
You can load multiple esims and choose which one you want to use for calls/data/text just like a physical SIM card
Can you explain how to load multiple esims? They are embedded into the device, akin to an IMEI.
MarkaosThe eSIMs in phones are reprogrammable with new “profiles”, and Android can store multiple profiles and reprogram the eSIM with whichever one you want to use. Non-programmable eSIMs are only used in embedded devices.
Android 13 also has something called eSIM MEP that allows it to do dual SIM using a single eSIM chip.
Thank you for sharing your information, I did not know that at all. 👍
eSIM?
I use it when outside the EU, to get cheap data without having to swap SIM cards. There’s a bunch of providers where you can sign up online (usually with an app) and then install the eSIM. Pretty happy with the process. Saves me the hassle from going to a shop and allows me to continue using my regular SIM for receiving calls and such.
Pretty sure its a nothing burger.
Considering majority of the planet doesn’t have access to esim. Google just cut off a huge chunk of its markets. I’ve been waiting on esims for years. They are slowly creeping out but they don’t work on all networks and don’t work on pay as you go plans.
Think you’d need esim to be much more established before you tried anything like this.
BT headphones had become pretty normal by the time they started removing the jack. You can also get an adapter to still use them. No slot for sim would be incredibly bold and lose them a tonne of money.
Nae chance in hell.
Info is from a leak. C’mon
Just one correction, I’ve found plenty of companies offering pay as you go eSims in Switzerland, so I’d imagine it can exist elsewhere too. Digital Republic is an example that I use. Not gonna lie, it’s nice to have a fully functioning phone plan right as you land on the tarmac.
Oh excellent I stand corrected. All the sim plans I’ve seen in the UK France and North America all seemed to offer monthly plans but not pay as you go.
I know there are lots of online only holiday sims. They are fantastic. Was going to use them in Canada but didn’t get a chance.
Hopefully more will push into competition