@jeroen @mattblaze In general voting by going to a specific place inside the town where you live is cumbersome. If we can get a good system to mostly get rid of that that will likely increase voting turnout. Having elections with 40% turnup is much more dangerous to #democracy than it security risks, of course unless these lasts once are huge (which is possible)

@HcInfosec @jeroen Yes, and every technical expert who has seriously studied online voting as come to the same conclusion about the risks, because there are fundamental problems and requirements that preclude building an Internet voting system sufficient for civil elections.

It's not that scientists don't think Internet voting would be nice. Just as physicists don't think perpetual motion machines wouldn't be terrific. It's just that they understand fundamental reasons we can't make them.

@HcInfosec @jeroen You want an Internet voting system? You have two choices. One is to relax some of the basic requirements and civil rights associated with voting (at least in the US), such as the secret ballot. The other option is to have elections where we can never be sure who actually won, and that are vulnerable to disruption by anyone connected to the Internet.

Neither option seems great.

@mattblaze @jeroen I think one could minimize chances of votes becoming public and accept that a chance of your vote becoming public exists but is very small.
One could built several separate ledger counting systems and a non-public in between decentralised open-source system. The third system could be counting in max 5 votes per unit and then encrypt it.
You still keep the problem that some decentralized system holds the keys, but that is also true for voting now: you can simply add a few cans with voting papers too.
For me the biggest issue is: how do you reliably and in mass prove id's or authentication

With eidas that problem is tackled

@HcInfosec @jeroen Well, I guess you're the expert.

I give up.

@mattblaze @jeroen Yes you are the only person who gets to decide what's right. Typing words in captions doesn't mean shit. Fundamentally is the kind of word used when rationality stops.
Many problems that seemed unsolvable have been solved non the less
@HcInfosec @jeroen I apologize for wasting your time.
@mattblaze @jeroen It's not that what you say is stupid, it's the tone. It's unacceptable so go away
@HcInfosec @mattblaze @jeroen This may be an unpopular opinion, but I'd urge you to read references such as that here:
https://nap.nationalacademies.org/catalog/25120/securing-the-vote-protecting-american-democracy
Matt tends to be short with nay-sayers because he's had to fend off so many rude attacks over the years, but he really has studied voting security in great detail. Whether you agree with him or not, it's worth engaging to understand what he says and why he says it.
Securing the Vote: Protecting American Democracy

Read online, download a free PDF, or order a copy in print or as an eBook.

The National Academies Press
@oclsc @mattblaze @jeroen Thanks, is there a shorter version? I did download it of course
@HcInfosec @mattblaze @jeroen Dunno. Matt knows a lot more than I do about this.