Oh look, another thread in which supposed “leftists” from hexbear and lemmygrad do nothing but attack Biden and defend Trump and Putin. Such left, very socialist.

You’re aware that under Trump, US funding for the shelling of Donbass increased and several disarmament treaties from the Cold War were openly voided by the US, leading to a massive increase in tensions between the USA and Russia? Trump was at least as much of a factor in setting the stage for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and the ensuing humanitarian catastrophy as any other US president since Bush sr., and was in fact worse than most in this regard. He was in no way less hawkish than the other mass murderers you yanqui pigs elect all the time, he was just more erratic about it and pretended to personally like Putin to pander to his base that sees him as some kind of bastion of white cishet supremacy. If you buy into the right-wing lie that Trump is some kind of anti-imperialist because he smilkes more when he shakes Putin’s hand in a photo op, you’re actually carrying water for the GOP, who systematically co-opts anti-imperialist sentiment and never delivers on that promise, but only offers more of the Amerikan state terrorism that so many people even in the US are becoming fed up with.

Trump was at least as much of a factor in setting the stage for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and the ensuing humanitarian catastrophy as any other US president since Bush sr., and was in fact worse than most in this regard.

Um… yes, this is exactly my point. Trump helped set the stage for the invasion in all the ways you describe (leaving treaties which enabled Russia to ramp up - at least threats if not actual working nuclear weapons), calling for a NATO exit, withholding aid from Ukraine. I don’t follow your logic here, are you happy that the war started?

Why would i be happy that the USA and Russia are waging a proxy war just two countries away from me? This shit will likely go on for at least another decade if it unfolds like similar conflicts, it could destabilize an entire region next to my home country, it has massively decreased our standard of living due to inflation and there’s already arms for Ukraine showing up in the hands of nazi terrorists and criminal organizations. I do not have the Amerikan luxury of viewing this war as a cost-effective way to kill eastern Europeans, my point is that “you guys are pro Trump and pro Putin” is an entirely nonsensical talking point because these people aren’t allies and have never been.

USA and Russia are waging a proxy war

It’s not a proxy war for Russia, lol.

You should be happy because if Ukraine did not fight back, if it did not receive western supplies, the way would be fought in your country, and in mine. And trust me, you do not want Russians in your country (but if you’re just two countries away and older than 12, you know that already).

these people aren’t allies and have never been.

Ah, yes, billionaire oligarhs are totally not allies. No, they each only have the best interests of their working people at heart. And these two specially, their chat without transistors was just about football, Trump getting billions in loans from Russian state banks in just good business, and that Manafort guy was just a coincidence.