Ascend910I think they just hate us Linux Gamers
MotorheadKusanagiWelp… now Im expecting Linux kernel modules for anticheat.
Would be sick if one could get that stuff to work lol
I’d never noticed before that the bow changes sides
601errorKLS for short. Pronounced “kills”.
I've been in discussions regarding anti-cheats, and there's definitely an audience who outright complains if a game does not have anti-cheats.
The arguments usually being willing to deal with the risks, because they don't see a way to make games fair without it.
What do you propose to make games fair without cheating countermeasures?
overwatch (cs /dota2, not the blizzard game) system is probably the best.
also the best way to avoid cheaters is not to play multi-player games, they are mostly toxic as fuck anyway, who needs that in their life
ZozanoI definitely get it. Have you seen the state of Team Fortress 2 for the past few years? It’s repugnant. I don’t know how people are still playing it.
Free to play multiplayer games are at the highest risk of cheaters, since they can just make a new account. I would rather pay for a multiplayer game without microtransactions than a free one which gatekeeps and facilitates cheaters.
HolzkohlenLeague of Legends is fine and it runs via wine. Whatever they are doing seems to work. I won’t believe for a second that you absolutely need kernel level malware for Valorant. Not that I care about shooters.
LoL has a very simple way of only giving you information you need. The problem is shooters are way more complicsted that way. I play a game that tries this, but it leads to a lot of pop ins, where someone is invisible, even tho you should clearly see him.
I’ve played before anticheat was a thing and it is meaningless. Cheaters are going to cheat. The best anticheat systems are voting. The game kicks a winning vote total and then that server sends the rest of the servers it’s results. Then that account is flagged as a cheater. The only way a cheater can exist is they hide and don’t cheat and are obvious in it
blockchain?
Such a system can be used against non-cheaters as well. How would you feel if you played fair and got permanently banned from playing a game you bought simply because of a few bastards?
VAC uses this on top of telemetry analysis. Next gen will use AI, ML, DL, and apply hardware bans.
Valve uses player in game reporting for cheating. Which then goes to Overwatch. In Overwatch trusted players with a certain rank get to confirm if that cheater is cheating or not. I have reported cheaters and received notifications that they have been banned before. On the other end, I have also done Overwatch and banned cheaters myself.
Edit: this is for CSGO, idk if Valve does this for games like TF2
Exactly. That is was happens now. I described that and VAC Live (CS2).
Dota 2 also has Overwatch
topinambour_rexDL ? What’s that, ML is machine learning, but DL…
I assume deep learning.
Oh yeah, forgot this one.
I was in that cross hair. But i didn’t cheat and the majority of the regulars knew it, so…
Maybe a second step of reviewing but also if you bought a game permanent bans should never be a thing on less it has an offline mode, if you bought something you should permanently own it they shouldn’t be able to take your access permanently
Melody FwygonKick votes alone should never lead to bans or suspensions. Instead; this is when we should switch to server-sided analytics of gameplay and lean heavily on human moderator input to determine if a player might be cheating.
Anti-Cheat should be on server side anyways; not the client side.
I can’t wait for the rise of motherboards with hyper-customized TPMs that can fake legitimate ones. /s
Used to be a thing with private servers lmao
Votekick really doesn’t work as an anticheat, especially without good playback analysis option and even then good gamesense looks like wallhacking in shooters to new players for example when all you are doing is tracking sound and have good crosshair placement. If you can’t review replay and there is no blatant cheating like speedhack or spinbot or teleporting, what are you voting on? The fact that you are getting stomped?
To be clear I’m not saying invasive anti-cheat is the way, but IMO voting is not the way to go.
uisVotekick is enough to stop cheater from cheating in current match.
The point is what are you basing the cheating report on? Is it blatant? Because rarely is it blatant especially if you can’t review playback.
And how playback would help to remove cheaters in real time?
On what basis are you votekicking then?
On subjective basis, duh.
So essentially votekick people that are simply better than you 9/10 times.
Yes, when they have better spinbot than me /s
Never Trust User Input!
Memes aside, cheats operate at driver level and as a result anti-cheat, if it wants to be effective, has to also.
Matúš Maštena I would take any DRM and AntiCheat protection if they were open-source.
SquishyPandaDevBut that won’t happen. It’s against their very nature/purpose. Also kernel level anything is iffy. There is a reason modern OS are trying to push things into user space, like file system. Prevents an error from crashing the whole system.
My recommendation now that computing devices are reasonably cheap is to not do anything requiring a high level of trust on a daily-use device that runs a wide variety of software, such as a gaming PC with lots of games. Instead I’d do those things on a device that only runs what you trust and nothing else.
Windows Desktop, Linux Laptop w/ FDE.
Yep, each game in their own wineprefix.
That would - unfortunately - not work out. Cheaters now have to guess measurements taken…with oss they would gain direct insights
Draconic NEOAnti-cheat isn’t compatible by nature with Open-source. Client side anti-cheat is based on the premise of security through obscurity, it’s not a canidate for open source and the ideologies behind most of them aren’t really compatible with freedom either.
Also DRM isn’t really compatible with that idea either because it is by nature anti-freedom.
Use server-side anticheat
WheatleyIncSome games have a complicated enough Anti-Cheat that it’d be an absolute pain to get it working with Linux. Honestly, it’s not worth it to gain 3% more players. I’d recommend just running a Windows VM in Linux.
Some won’t even run in vm
laenurdI’ve spent quite some time setting up KVM with GPU passthrough and modifying qemu and my kernel as to circumvent VM detection of anti cheat software. While it worked in principle, overhead from virtualization and reduced core count meant that some resource-heavy games ran extremely poorly (while they would have run just fine without virtualization).
Running a VM would imply dealing with VFIO. For a recently converted casual Linux gamer it’s better for them to dual boot than deal with that headache.
I get your point in dual boot being less of a headache, but learning some libvirt/qemu and running your own virtual machines is a lot of fun.
I went for a virtual Fedora Workstation with VFIO and a dummy plug. Then I use Sunshine/Moonlight to stream my gaming session to whichever device I feel like using.
Anytime I wanna try something I feel might crash my Fedora I simply backup the virtual machine files and go to town on it.
If I fail I roll back and try again.
I run my servers the same way, as virtual machines that I can easily backup and experiment with, and I do think it makes learning a lot quicker.
It is, I’m not knocking out the usefulness of the tech. I’m thinking more about how convenient it is for the average gamer vs. dual booting
I mean Leagur of Legends works fine on Linux and I never had issues with obvious cheaters. If Riot Games can get it done, then so can everbody else.
(I feel the need to state that ingame runs fine, the client is the worst piece of software I have ever had to run on my machine)
(I feel the need to state that ingame runs fine, the client is the worst piece of software I have ever had to run on my machine)
TheInsane42As long as there are people playing a game, there will be cheats. However, I decide what happens on my device, not a game or software developer. When the developer thinks he can set requirements, he is barred.
Not a single piece of software is worth risking my device for.
FUCK yeah!
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Anti-Cheat
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Kernel Level Surveillance
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🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 🏆I wanna know they have to have low level shit making these checks on my device in the first place. Why can’t the checks by on the god damn server, checking against what the developer knows is and isn’t possible to do without cheating?
Edit: Er… I guess you wouldn’t really be able to tell if they used walls or aimbots that way… 🤔
A lot of anticheat methods are not to catch the people with the proper, premium cheating software. It’s to stop little Jimmy downloading an exe for Fortnite because he loses too much and making a new account as f2p is now the norm. As such, a lot goes into making it hard to have a cheat hide itself without significant effort from the user, be that running a custom kernel module yourself or some sort of emulation techniques. The kernel level anticheats can naturally be bypassed, but you have to do more than just running an exe most of the time which is about as far as the average kid who downloads their cheats from a YouTube video is capable of. The result is you catch 99.9% of what would be cheaters, and that’s a much bigger improvement to your player base than catching the 4 players at the pro level who pay thousands a month for custom software which doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things.
You can still detect that stuff on the server. It’s all about will and competence. The real reason is anticheat allows easy surveillance. The Ven diagram of people with Tencent anticheat and essential IT personnel overlaps a lot. This is a big problem talked about but not solved in sec ops.
Detecting the angle, acceleration and speed at multiple points of a shot in an fps is trivial, and developing a check to see if it’s human movement or computer movement is easy after that.
Aimbots are easy too. Is the camera following someone without having vision? Oh no aimbot. A bit more complex than that… But not by much.
It’s easy enough to do it right, but then you don’t get that sweet sweet surveillance