@jeroen @mattblaze In general voting by going to a specific place inside the town where you live is cumbersome. If we can get a good system to mostly get rid of that that will likely increase voting turnout. Having elections with 40% turnup is much more dangerous to #democracy than it security risks, of course unless these lasts once are huge (which is possible)

@HcInfosec @jeroen Yes, and every technical expert who has seriously studied online voting as come to the same conclusion about the risks, because there are fundamental problems and requirements that preclude building an Internet voting system sufficient for civil elections.

It's not that scientists don't think Internet voting would be nice. Just as physicists don't think perpetual motion machines wouldn't be terrific. It's just that they understand fundamental reasons we can't make them.

@HcInfosec @jeroen You want an Internet voting system? You have two choices. One is to relax some of the basic requirements and civil rights associated with voting (at least in the US), such as the secret ballot. The other option is to have elections where we can never be sure who actually won, and that are vulnerable to disruption by anyone connected to the Internet.

Neither option seems great.

@mattblaze @jeroen I think one could minimize chances of votes becoming public and accept that a chance of your vote becoming public exists but is very small.
One could built several separate ledger counting systems and a non-public in between decentralised open-source system. The third system could be counting in max 5 votes per unit and then encrypt it.
You still keep the problem that some decentralized system holds the keys, but that is also true for voting now: you can simply add a few cans with voting papers too.
For me the biggest issue is: how do you reliably and in mass prove id's or authentication

With eidas that problem is tackled

@HcInfosec @jeroen Well, I guess you're the expert.

I give up.

@mattblaze @jeroen Yes you are the only person who gets to decide what's right. Typing words in captions doesn't mean shit. Fundamentally is the kind of word used when rationality stops.
Many problems that seemed unsolvable have been solved non the less
@HcInfosec @jeroen I apologize for wasting your time.
@mattblaze @jeroen It's not that what you say is stupid, it's the tone. It's unacceptable so go away

@HcInfosec @mattblaze @jeroen

gutsy to reply to someone to tell them to go away in *their own thread...*

if you want links, perhaps you should start with matt's cv, it's full of them https://www.law.georgetown.edu/faculty/matt-blaze/

Matt Blaze

@mav @mattblaze @jeroen Yes, the childish man Matt blocked me. I have no respect for such bullies. He has time to to yell but not to explain.
If you defend rudeness you are rude yourself.

@HcInfosec @mattblaze @jeroen

I'm not gonna say Matt isn't a dick, but he has been having this same conversation with thousands of uninformed people for years. It's tiresome *watching* it happen let alone being the target of so many people who seem to be angry at him for existing.

You jump in a thread with a guy who's been researching voting methods for decades and has had every damn discussion under the sun, you have nothing useful to contribute but you do want to yell at him because you think there should be a solution and he's just... what, being ignorant? Willfully deceptive? What's your end goal here? Do you want the right solution or the solution you want to be right?

If you were asking Schneier why we don't use MD5 anymore, would you be surprised if he mocks you for not even doing the most basic of research?

@mav @mattblaze @jeroen We will happily live on don't worry. I learned some things about mail voting which is nice. I forgive him for being not perfect, which nobody needs to be.
But I do have a nice cartoon for this situation 😎