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YouTube and Reddit are sued for allegedly enabling the racist mass shooting in Buffalo that left 10 dead

https://lemmy.world/post/3320637

YouTube and Reddit are sued for allegedly enabling the racist mass shooting in Buffalo that left 10 dead - Lemmy.world

YouTube and Reddit are sued for allegedly enabling the racist mass shooting in Buffalo that left 10 dead::The complementary lawsuits claim that the massacre in 2022 was made possible by tech giants, a local gun shop, and the gunman’s parents.

Show threadOtkaz
It use to be video games and movies taking the blame. Now it’s websites. When are we going to decide that people are just bat shit crazy and guns need some form of regulation?
Aug 17, 2023 at 2:04pmWeb
Show threadDigitalWandererAug 17, 2023

but muh rights to go pew pew!

/s just in case not clear…

Show threadAngryAnusHornetsAug 17, 2023
What about the ISPs that made the connections, and the mobile phone or PC manufacturers? They have to go first before they touch the guns
Show threadtastysnacksAug 17, 2023
Guns are the primary cause. They should go first. The others are secondary causes. They should go next.
Show threadAeroLemmingAug 17, 2023
Angry is being sarcastic lmao
Show threadRaoulDookAug 17, 2023
They’re not going anywhere, because our rights are solidly established and the Supreme Court is not going to abide with any infringements.
Show threadaidanAug 18, 2023
Unfortunately there’s a long history of ignoring supreme court rulings.
Show threadRaoulDookAug 18, 2023

There’s also a long contemporary history of citizens ignoring bans too. Check out the levels of compliance in New York after they banned some guns. Many of their counties’ sheriffs have even stated they won’t enforce those bans.

I guarantee the guns will still be here long after everyone who can read this is gone.

Show threadAeroLemmingAug 17, 2023
Most people need to drive to gun stores in order to buy them. We better ban cars!
Show threadludAug 17, 2023
Or fucking Cicso for daring to switch those evil packages.
Show threadjampackedAug 17, 2023
Why are video games immune to neuroplasticity?
Show thread5473MP4RRitAug 17, 2023
What do you mean, “immune to neuroplasticity”?
Show threadjampackedAug 17, 2023
Basically when you do something over and over your brain rewires to do it more efficiently but nobody seems to think hours of video games or perceived negativity/positivity has any effect when it comes to certain entertainment.
Show threadSuruAug 17, 2023

I mean… if you play video games for hours and hours, your brain will likely learn to play videogames better? Sure. I hardly see a correlation to mass murder here.

If you believe that action repetition is to blame for rewiring people’s brains to be more efficient at mass murder, why not blame the military, or he’ll, why not just start picketing outside your local airsoft or paintball places?

Show threadTwilightVulpineAug 17, 2023

Because clicking a mouse to go pew pew at fictional characters is drastically different than pointing and shooting a gun at a human being.

Even the most realistic military shooters, you don’t just get a red tint over your eyes if you get shot, you can’t wait it out or use a medkit to immediately be fully recovered, and people don’t respawn the next match after they are killed. They don’t show how gruesome and nerve-wracking real violence it is. They can’t show the lasting consequences of that. People who play video games might not even know how heavy a real gun is.

And then there are things like Fortnite and Overwatch, which are just silly cartoons. No comparison.

Show thread5473MP4RRitAug 17, 2023
Badabing. It’s okay. You heard a word somewhere and misunderstood how to use it. It happens.
Show threadAnonymousllamaAug 18, 2023
Is there any actual scientific studies that back up that summation? Because video games have been under intense scrutiny for decades and every time it’s bright up the consensus seems to be that there’s no direct link
Show threadDollarSignSteveAug 18, 2023
That’s just called learning. Neuroplasticity is not what you are describing.
Show threadGorkAug 18, 2023

Video games are not the causal relationship here. Do other countries have gun violence like America does? No. But they play video games just at much as we do.

It’s not video games that are the problem, it’s the easy access to lightly regulated guns.

Show threadjampackedAug 19, 2023
People still stuck on the defensive route of this.
Show threaddragonflyteapartyAug 19, 2023
Because it’s literally the facts…
Show threadjampackedAug 19, 2023
So you think neuroplasticity is fake?
Show threadSCBAug 17, 2023

Neuroplasticity is not really relevant here - it’s just the ability of the brain to form new connections. You’d need a casual effect of video games/entertainment toward radicalization inherently and science does not support that position.

Even meta studies are not showing any causal link between gaming/entertainment and aggression

Show threadRedditiscancer789Aug 17, 2023
Anecdotally I play a genocidal maniac in every game I can. I love playing total war and killing every single thing I come across, razing pillaging their villages and enslaving the survivors. I’ve done it since I was a young child playing RTS games like age of empires. Adding up all my video game kills would probably in literally the billions. Can you guess how many people I’ve killed in real life?
Show threadjampackedAug 17, 2023
Why is every commenter defending it so aggressive then?
Show threadRedditiscancer789Aug 17, 2023
I imagine it feels that way when tons of people disagree with you. But that’s also part of posting in public discourse, if people don’t like what you’re saying they will surely let you know.
Show threadAeroLemmingAug 17, 2023
Videogames don’t induce violent tendencies in people. That’s just a fact.
Show threadaidanAug 18, 2023
I agree generally- but I also personally know people who were in some ways inspired to violence by media.
Show threadAeroLemmingAug 18, 2023

Yes, some social media groups or propaganda productions ABSOLUTELY DO incite violence in people. I’m talking about violent videogames like FPSes, not deliberate propaganda.

Sorry if this double posts, my internet cut out in the middle of hitting reply and I’m trying again.

Show threadaidanAug 18, 2023
No, I mean fictional media, specifically movies and tv shows.
Show threadAeroLemmingAug 18, 2023
I suppose it would depend on the type of media. It’s a lot easier to insert effective alt-right political messages into films than into a game where you just shoot things and barely pay attention to the plot.
Show threadaidanAug 19, 2023
I’m not talking about far right, just glorified violence to them
Show threadSocialMediaRefugeeAug 17, 2023
Because every gun owner thinks they are “the good guys”
Show threadsome_guyAug 17, 2023

Because every gun owner thinks they are “the good guys”

Just wait till I use my gun to save a bunch of lives. Then you’ll see that I’m a hero. /s

Show threadZombieZookeeperAug 17, 2023
And most of them fantasize about killing liberals and BLM protesters.
Show threadShapillonAug 18, 2023
Why always equate gun owners with right wing wackos? It’s getting a tad tiring…
Show threadZombieZookeeperAug 18, 2023
Because they think dead schoolkids are a necessary sacrifice for their gun collecting hobby?
Show threadaidanAug 18, 2023
Usually from their perspective they are. Most people don’t try to be bad.
Show threadstillwaterAug 18, 2023
This is also true of MAGA types so it’s not much of an excuse.
Show threadaidanAug 18, 2023
It’s not excuse, it’s a statement.
Show threadEufalconimorphAug 18, 2023
Yep. This guy thought he was fighting a righteous battle against the evil of white replacement. Brainwashed, but not insane by any clinical definition any more than any soldier is.
Show threadMrSpArkleAug 18, 2023
This is a key insight. There have been plenty of despots and dictators that ruled countries for decades while committing uncountable atrocities who had full command of their faculties.
Show threadSquanderAug 17, 2023
The thing about bat shit crazy people is that they dont need guns to be violent, they will find another way.
Show threadvzqAug 17, 2023
Guns just make the whole killing thing a lot more efficient.
Show threadbownt1Aug 17, 2023
democratizing violence is not a bad thing if you think about it.
Show threadsome_guyAug 17, 2023
I can’t realistically stab ten people in a crowd before I’m disarmed by the mob. And I certainly can’t do it from a hotel window.
Show threadCoughProductionsAug 17, 2023
Hella things with more force than guns though, and most of those aren’t outlawed yet. Ppl will make bombs and use vehicular methods if guns arent available. Outlawing guns will not solve the issue I think the most effective method is inclusion and treating people well, maybe there won’t be as many unhinged individuals who act out violently…? Of course more regulation would help too (without infringing 2nd amendment)
Show threadTheFonzAug 17, 2023
The point they are making is that guns, besides being a force amplifier, are also easily accessible. The more steps involved, the less likely you are engaged in said acts. It’s why Americans will drive 1 mile to get a six pack, even though walking to the shop yields the same result. The easiest path is the most likely.
Show threadRivenAug 17, 2023
More regulation without infringement is what we want. I don’t care if you have a gun. I care that they’re super easy to get, I also care that you can easily get a big gun that can kill a lot of people just as easily as a handgun.
Show threadYendorAug 18, 2023
Where are all these mass bombings and vehicular murders in other Countries then? You average multiple mass shootings per week in the US, while the events in other countries typically happen less than once a year.
Show threadaidanAug 19, 2023
Sort by deaths
List of major terrorist incidents - Wikipedia

Show threadYendorAug 19, 2023
That list proves my point - it’s mostly shootings. You have to go back to 2017 to find a vehicle/bombing attack in a western nation.
Show threadaidanAug 19, 2023
Why limit to “western” nations? Also there are only 3 attacks since 2017 listed in any “western” nation there in the first place
Show threadYendorAug 19, 2023
So what you’re saying is that violence in the US should be compared to Afghanistan and Syria? Ok, I can agree with that.
Show threadaidanAug 19, 2023
I’m saying the causes and environment of terrorism in every continent is different and I don’t generally agree with comparing the US only to what essentially devolves to other predominantly white countries.
Show threadaidanAug 18, 2023
The most deadly terror attacks were not done with guns.
Show threadNatanaelAug 18, 2023
Ok, bombs then
Show threadaidanAug 19, 2023
Bombs and vehicles, but bombs are easy to make
Show threadDarkWaspAug 17, 2023
I can see the nuance in an argument that an online community, unmoderated, could be using an algorithm to group these violent people together and amplifying their views. The same can’t really be said for most other platforms. Writing threats of violence should still be taken seriously over the internet, especially if it was later acted upon. I don’t disagree with you that there’s a lot of bat shit crazy out there though.
Show threadAnonymousllamaAug 18, 2023
It’s not popular nowadays to mention that people need to have self accountability, there’s always apparently a website, service, game or social media platform to “blame” for the actions of the individual
Show threadQuokkaAug 18, 2023
Exactly and sites that profit off of hosting extremist content that radicalises terrorists need to be held accountable for their actions.