OsrsNeedsF2PWindows 11 vs Linux supported HW
GustavoMWha? Even a bleeping potato can run Linux nowadays, with zero issues at day 1.
t. Got a Orange pi zero 3, and the lil’ bastard is rocking solid – even with (near zero) support.
Imagine not having all your drivers baked in into your kernel
Imagine not knowing about kernel modules 🤣
AngrilyEatingMuffinsshit like this comment thread is why regular people use windows. who the fuck wants to learn about this kind of stuff when you can just point and click? especially when the people who should be helping you post brain-dead self-congratulatory shit like this
Solar BearWhat a weirdly specific thing to get mad about.
smug senses of superiority in the FOSS community?
amazing... no wonder linux use has only grown if you include the steam deck and closed off governmental systems
The reason Linux only grew with the Steam Deck is because an operating system only grows if it’s preinstalled on a popular device. Average users do not install their own OS. If you were actually in tune with average users, you would know this. It has nothing to do with Linux users making jokes amongst themselves.
sabI guess I would also be pretty sore if I didn't have... checks notes - all my drivers baked into my kernel?
A joke about potatoes? You elitists.
alteropen@sab @OsrsNeedsF2P @GustavoM @Kidplayer_666 @db2 @AngrilyEatingMuffins @bear I bet these idiots don't even butter their drivers before baking them into the kernel
i sort of get them, actually. as a nontech person who shifted to Linux out of necessity, i just wanted it to work.
i dont have to imagine not knowing what a kernel module because i still dont, despite using it for years.
i dont have to imagine not knowing what a kernel module because i still dont, despite using it for years.
Angry HippyYou might need another muffin. You’re a little hangry.
another smug message! surprise
You could try not being a dick. Just a thought.
I'd say the same to you
Nah I’m just going to go ahead and block you for douchebaggery. Good luck getting anyone to like having you around.
Semi-Hemi-DemigodIf someone made a GUI to handle kernel modules and people could point and click through them, would that be okay?
that really doesn't have anything to do with what i'm talking about.
You said people wanted to point and click. I agree: I’ve seen many Windows admins VNC to a desktop environment to get to a shell rather than use SSH
So if everything in Linux was accessible from a GUI, would that make it better? Because Windows does similar things, and so does Mac OS. They just use pretty pictures instead of words.
ah, i see now. it's more about things just working and it being right there
even what distro to choose is already a thing people have to actively research. most people are more interested in just having the thing simply work, than they are having it work in a way that they've customized, if that road takes more than minimal effort. i think that the divide is actively growing now, and that the easy access of smartphones and most apps not having much customization is probably part of it.
Things on Windows and Mac rarely just work, especially when you're talking about kernel extensions. In fact, one of the first things you do when troubleshooting a Mac is to start up without extensions by holding the shift key.
And this is almost entirely the fault of the hardware manufacturers. They could write drivers for Linux that would work as well as their drivers for Windows. They don't do it, so amateurs have to reverse engineer the hardware and try their best to get it to work.
If, like with Mac and Windows, hardware manufacturers offered actual support for Linux you would not see these issues. The problem isn't with Linux, it's with the hardware makers.
I will agree that smartphones have made people know less about how computers actually work while increasing usage. And this is because they've obfuscated things to the point where they "simply work" with "minimal effort." Maybe we should stop doing that.
shit like this comment thread is why regular people use windows
No, regular people use Windows because that’s what their device they purchased came with. If they bought a Chromebook instead for example, they’d be using ChromeOS which is based on Linux, and if they bought a Smart TV, it’d probably be running some sort of Linux-based OS as well.
Regular people don’t know or care about Linux, nor what operating system their device is running - they just want a device that’s easy to use, looks good, has a good price and can let them use Facebook, Zoom etc.
who the fuck wants to learn about this kind of stuff when you can just point and click
There’s no need to. Linux is already just point and click. The main hurdle is installing it on a PC. Regular people should have no big issues using Linux (especially if it’s a user-friendly distro like Zorin OS), as long as it’s already installed on their machines.
if y’all want people to use linux maybe make it palatable
It is already palatable, we just haven’t gotten mainstream manufactures to sell preloaded devices to the masses. There are some OEMs like System76 that are doing a good job, but they haven’t hit mass market yet. What Linux needs is a partnership with mainstream manufacturers and some big $$$ invested into marketing, plus partnering with retail outets like Best Buy etc. And maybe have a hardware certification program, like how Windows has the WHQL. Market the hell out of it, pass out shiny “Linux compatible” stickers to vendors, put Linux on sleek and shiny MacBook-like devices, and you’ll find regular people getting into Linux.
this is copium my friend. look at these forums, you don't find people talking about proselytizing ubuntu, it's people circlejerking about how cool they are for using kali and arch
also the front page of this very community has multiple posts from people whose systems aren't working, or who are worried about software being incompatible with linux
if y'all want people to use linux maybe make it palatable instead of maintaining its difficulty so you can get a chubby about how smart you are
I wont speak for others but personally, I'm not really interested in point and clickers using linux - there are people who work on mint and ubuntu and stuff for them.
again, personally, i don't think linux is the right choice for people don't want to learn some of that and who won't ever use Command line interface.
I wouldn't recommend it for them - tbf mostly because I've no interest in being tech support for them, just like i didn't for windows back when i knew how to solve some problems ( type "regedit").
unless they only have a potato, then i think linux is more likely to fit a decent amount of their needs.
though i would normally say it costs them little more than a few hours to test out a live usb boot system.
but the main point is that the linux community is very diverse, as are all the different distros and projects - so it is not easy to pigeonhole all of them as sharing any one sentiment.
some of the people and distros will be supportive of those users, others won't.
it's a bit like most collections of humans in that respect.
I remember when you had to use this newfangled “kernel module” business if you had two Ethernet cards using the same driver, because a non-module driver would only detect one …
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pimeysImagine being in the orange forum and thinking everybody’s using Mac…
yukichigaiSome builds can get really tetchy about laptop hardware, but that's almost always older hardware.
Though I will say it took entirely too long for most builds to have a "change what closing the lid" does menu option rather than making you modify a .conf file.
I think the main trouble makers for consumers are the odd network or bluetooth controllers, especially in laptops, which often come with some exotic bullshit.
I have a lot of trouble with Bluetooth on laptops so I tend to run 2.4GHz wireless peripherals instead of Bluetooth. That’s my only complaint these days.
If only Linux had something like this learn.microsoft.com/en-us/…/hlk/ to tell you if your device is going to run smoothly on it. Realistically Windows 10 is far more supported by hardware than any version of Linux you can come up with. I’ve yet to run into a CPU that doesn’t work with 11 although my AMD CPU wasn’t supported for the first 5 months. At that time Windows literally told me “Don’t upgrade 'cause we don’t support it yet!” Linux has never done anything like that. Instead, I get prompts to “update 1200 software!” (One of them is your kernel and we won’t tell you!) then you hit update and brick your entire system because they didn’t have the video card driver modules for the kernel updated.
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Would you like some dressing with your word salad? Nothing you said actually makes sense or reflects reality.
Don’t know what to tell you, other people seem to be reading it just fine enough to upvote it. If you have questions about what I said, ask away.
Do you not understand the concept of negative numbers? That minus in front of the 6 means you’re getting the opposite of upvotes.
I’ve always been able to read that my kernel is included in an update.
Are you updating throught he command line or some visual front?
Since nobody gave you an actual response yet, you can see Linux-compatible hardware here: linux-hardware.org
Note: The list is much larger than Windows, for everything from CPUs to peripherals
AusterLooking for a more stable distro could be a good idea. Some distros are pretty much only PoC, or too niche to have a good support, or the beta channel of another, better supported distro.
Besides, Windows can be very laggy even on supported hardware.
I've yet to run into a CPU that doesn’t work with 11
Every AMD processor from the Ryzen 1000-series and older. I'm not sure where the line is with Intel processors, but requiring TPM excludes a lot of otherwise useful hardware.
I’ve always found the Tpm complaints a little suspicious. The same people who go on and on about how much they worry about security and privacy and how MS doesn’t care, suddenly just don’t give a shit in these cases. I assume they mostly just want to shit on stuff.
It’s a good to push to make it standard and hardware manufacturers wont without a good old shove.
I complain about TPM because it made my system unable to boot without desactivating it, i don’t really care about TPM but the implementation seems disastrous
JackGreenEarthI could never go back to Windows, after having tasted the freedom of Linux.
Linux has its flaws, but so does Windows. And for me, the flaws in Windows became much more annoying than the ones in Linux. Game compatibility was the main factor that kept me backt from using it on a desktop, and that's a non issue nowadays.
Game compatibility
Steam+Proton is pretty impressive. I can play Baldur’s Gate 3 on my Thelio. Does get a little toasty, though …
Why would you buy that? Overpriced and with that case it's no wonder that things get toasty. There's like fuck all for airflow. If you want a case with wood accents, there's the North from Fractal Design, which have great airflow thanks to their open fronts.
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North reimagines the gaming PC, introducing natural materials and bespoke details to make gaming a stylish addition to your living space. Leveraging design to give you a better experience, its airflow functionality and intuitive layout make building and gaming both smooth and enjoyable.
I’m so happy something like this exists. I hate RGB and love wood on my electronics. Think I’m gonna pick one of these up.
I didn’t buy it for a gaming machine. I was pleasantly surprised that a fancy new Windows game ran on it at all!
Bobby BandwidthI thought you were just being a dick but then I checked out the North from Fractal Design and wow it’s beautiful!
I'm just calling out those idiotic cases that completely choke your hardware of air. You want an open front (or similar depending on the form factor) to get a bunch of silent fans in to let your system breath properly. Bad airflow will just cause your temps to rise, which also severely increases the noise.
Yeah I mean you’re probably right. I think people just downvoted to hell because of how you phrased it.
At least not on kbin (18 vs 0).
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I don't see any wood on that. Personally I had bad experiences with TT's quality too, but that was admittedly a long time ago with the Shark.
Yeah I just meant for 200mm front fan airflow, plus all the fan options on top, sides back. But for wood I would grab a System76 Thelio.
Why the hell would you get that, especially over the Nord? That doesn't make any sense.
Designed, built and materials sourced in the USA, and high attential to details. Their own back plane for SATA connections and custom board for controlling thermals. All open sources designs.
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So American exceptionalism makes you go for the worse product. Really says it all. But you do you.
I’m not American, but system76 is an opensource company and actually builds a very good products and their own OS. I would choose USA built also because I’m Canadian and reduces chinese components and possible slave labour. Not sure why you care so much about my choice. lol
It just sounds very weird for non Americans to value "made in US" labels so much. America doesn't actually have that kind of product reputation, except for maybe fighter jets.