MicroWaveTrump supporters post names and addresses of Georgia grand jurors online
NougatFaster. Go to trial faster.
This could be either a great time to be an FBI agent - or the worst time.
yukichigaiImagine becoming a fed because you want to uphold the law and chase down bad guys, figuring you're going to be tracking down drug dealers and human traffickers and mafia goons, and instead you get tasked with running down Karen and Cletus who decided to firebomb a house based on something they read on RealTruthPatriotNewsDaily-dot-net.
HubiImagine the briefings with everyone just sitting there with their heads buried in their hands
Just heavy sighing, the sound of liquor being poured into a glass at 9am and every so often, a truly exasperated “fuuuuuuuuuck!”
The FBI agents I feel for are the ones that have to go on sites like 4chan or whatever other social media sites the rightwing thinks is safe.
F4 Not a crime, not a crime, not a crime, not a crime
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Then once a week they finally get Jethro or Jayden the basement dweller.
A guy I work with has a masters in engineering degree, graduated with honors, went to a school that is world known for engineer was telling me how he spent two days sorting out the parts numbering scheme in the database. He has to do it twice because upper management changed their mind after he finished the first time.
Your dreams and mileage may vary.
I mean, if your masters in the database engineering… Kinda goes with the territory…
Mechanical. Also WTF how is that a degree? Who in their goddamn mind would study this!?
RealTruthPatriotNewsDaily-dot-net.ru
I looked at the indictment last night and noticed it included the names of the grand jurors. I dropped my head into my hands, knowing this was inevitable.
TransplantedSconieNo way. How stupid can you be lol
As I understand this is the law of the state, it would’ve been illegal to not make the names public. The reasoning is based on transparency – secret jurors would make for less trust.
Well, I hope the state is prepared to spend a shitton of money on protecting these people. Trump supporters aren’t the most stable of people.
See: FISA
Basically the “kernel of truth” that gave us deep state idiocy.
Georgia law is that grand jurors names are public.
Yeah, pretty naive. Or evil. Maybe both?
I didn't know that. I wish they had a process for applying to redact, for cases like this :(
【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】Do you in GA whether grand jurors are professionals or pulled in for random jury duty?
Pretty sure grand Jurors are professionals in most if not all common law states.
A couple of the peoples titles on the list pointed me towards that they are.
It prevents loading the jury to get a specific outcome. That said, it should come with protection or a delay or something.
Not saying it is, but showing me, a regular citizen, these names convinces me the jury wasn’t loaded? Does the defendant have no role in Grand jury selection?
No, the defendant doesn’t. This isn’t a trial jury, it’s the Fulton County Grand Jury. The GJ sits for an extended period (maybe a month, someone step in and correct me if I’m wrong) and listens to cases brought by the prosecutor. The GJ job is to decide if the prosecutor has enough of a case to indict. It seems in this case, she did.
Just to clarify, the sitting grand jury does not then sit on the jury for the trial.
That’s generally right. I Fulton County they sit for two months. There were two different grand jurys here, THOUGH.
There was a Special Grand Jury who met for 8 months and investigated the specific crimes related to the Trump case. They issued a report in January detailing all of the evidence that they heard.
In GA, though, a Special Grand Jury can’t issue an indictment. The report was passed to a normal grand jury who heard all of the evidence, then issued the indictment. That grand jury was first seated on July 11th.
InfynisThere’s all kinds of laws like this that are super old, and really harmful in modern life. Like name changes having to be published in the paper, and home ownership being public information. Sorry trans people, if you want to legally change your name, you have to be out to everyone! And don’t even think about buying a house if there’s someone you don’t want knowing where you live, like an abusive family member or ex!
They’re left over from times when information was harder to come by, and they absolutely need to be changed, but our governments are bad at legislating for modern problems
And don’t even think about buying a house
Well that is a problem that is fading away.
Maybe for you.
One of the most basic functions of government is to keep records of who owns what property. That’s land, and businesses, and spendy things that have titles (like cars and boats). There’s a public interest in that information remaining public that far exceeds any interest in perceived anonymity.
These laws are old, but they stay on the books because you don’t get to hide. You don’t get to disappear.
If you think the responsibility for domestic violence is on the victim and their ability to stay hidden, that’s just plain fucked up.
In that case our government has failed to do this. Who owns your mortgage? It was repackaged into a mortgage backed security with thousands of owners. Who owns that commercial property that has been sitting idle for thirty years? Owned by nested shell companies.
Another reason why mortgaged backed securities should be criminalized.
…and the county recorder and the secretary of state has ALL of that information in searchable databases. But thanks for the entertaining straw man attempt.
Very well. Please pick a property not paid off on your block and tell me every single owner, including people who own a millionth of a percent of it via 401ks. I want names, precents, legal terms that they are operating under, and purchase date(s). I will except CSV format only.
Maybe you don’t know, but there are people who do exactly this sort of research all the time. Go hire one of them to make your fake internet point.
www.cnn.com/2021/05/19/homes/…/index.html
People like this?
A mortgage backed security is a structured debt derivative contract which is backed by the cash flow of the loan, via the issuing bank. It doesn’t actually grant any ownership rights to the underlying asset itself.
Fancy words for it is a share of ownership with an abstraction layer for bailouts.
Home and land ownership is public in most countries, it’s an important thing to have transparency on.
🤔 Is it possible for an abuse victim to buy a house through an LLC to avoid that problem? How does that work for real estate businesses?
It is actually! I have a friend who’s dad is extremely libertarian (despite having been a marine?), And he bought his house under an LLC for that exact reason
There needs to be a nonprofit that helps victims set up such things so they can hide from their abusers.
Interesting. I wonder if you could buy a home zoned for single family, sell it to a LLC that you run, then rent it out to two families (if one is your own) since it is now commercial rental.
From what I’ve read, living in a house you buy yourself makes it lose most of the protection of an LLC, because you have “pierced the corporate veil”. All it really ends up doing is protecting your identity
Unfortunately, while you’re citing lots of very valid cases of innocent people being victimized, I also think that the trail of information that follows people is very important for systems of justice.
Imagine criminals getting away with white collar crime, having changed their name to make it more difficult for people to publicly scrutinize them.
I can’t quite imagine what protections might make sense to keep trans people safe, and it’s hard for me to think about which group should be prioritized. Of course, ideally, we’d live in a world where anyone retaliating to someone’s gender transition would be headed for a hard time themselves.
ryan213So… What happens next?
Unfortunately, probably someone getting hurt or killed. To the GQP the political violence is a feature, not a bug. I hope I'm wrong.
Uranium3006their final phase is terrorism. we must resist and crush them
Sadly, it reminds me of something I read in a book about a series of event’s a certain person became reelected in europe in the 30s-40s.
Yikes, I hope these people's entire family has some sort of protection. It's normal for them to attempt to kill anyone they don't like.
for a week? Then they are thrown to the wolves. Of course it isn’t like the movies where one is some vet special forces guy and he takes out every threat to his home. It is more like some regular person being yelled at by their employer because people are calling and cussing.
Just read up on what happens to regular folks who get doxxed.
Give every single doxxed GJ member secret service protection, and make Trump pay for it.
dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️Even easier: just reassign the guys from his detail to protect those people, until there’s nobody left to cover his entourage.
Default_DefectGive the people Trump trusts with his life to the people he likely wants to be silenced? Good idea.
Better yet, redeploy the ones on Trump and put new ones on the threatened!
You know, shuffle the cards around, same impact.
Because of course they did…
OkToBeTakeigee, I wonder where they got that list from…
Public information?
QuaternionsIt’s publicly released information. It has to be by GA law
Just to be clear, the names of the grand jury members are public. They are written right there on page 9 of the indictment.
Of course the info is public but MAGA isn’t reading the indictment. They’ve already been convinced it’s full of lies.
Right, the fact that they dug up their addresses and posted them is the disturbing part. The article, particularly the headline, is misleading.