YoBuckStopsHere“Just Say That the Election Was Corrupt, and Leave the Rest to Me”: In Georgia, Donald Trump Appears Beyond F--ked
ZombiepirateThe full quote is much more enlightening IMO:
What I’m asking you to do is to say it was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen.’
ATQFrankly, I’m surprised that the current slate of indictments haven’t extended to MTG, Boebert, Gaetz, and the rest of their traitor caucus compatriots.
Gradually_AdjustingNot every tool is used for every job
I agree. But I’m also not particularly opposed to a hammer being used in place of a screwdriver in this specific instance.
Since we’re sure we would rather have rule of law Instead of a tyrant, we don’t get to make exceptions or pick when the rules apply. That we barely get a say in the rules is beside the point.
Anyway my only point here was actually more about how I’m not even sure Boebs was guilty enough of these charges. The prosecutors have a strong incentive to advance only the charges they can make stick, or the whole case could fail.
Especially since the propaganda machine is working on the current round of charges.
Once Trump goes down the rest will follow
chakan2Depends on if a Republican wins in 2024…if they do, all this goes away.
They’re going to have to cheat, so there’s a chance.
Who knows, currently it’s a matter of switch sides or get indicted.
I want to see his goddamn kids also thrown in jail.
Nothing will hurt him more than if Ivanka is roped into his corruption.
But I guarantee you it won’t happen.
Nothing will hurt him more than if Ivanka is roped into his corruption
I’m gonna take Ivanka out to a nice seafood dinner and then never call her again!
Sorry but I don’t think you’re her type
Even better.
Really, you think so? Trump strikes me as a person who ultimately doesn’t give a fuck about anyone but himself when backed into a corner.
I mean, don’t get me wrong, I want to see them in jail, too, but I think just about any negative repercussions to his own life would hurt him more than seeing his kids suffer consequences. Push comes to shove, I can see him throwing those kids under a bus, even Ivanka.
He wouldn’t give a fuck if it was Jr or the other son, but Ivanka? His princess? His beautiful princess that he lusts over?
Oh, that would hurt him dearly!
Which is all the more reason that prosecutors should be going after her (and the others), but we all know they won’t.
So there is a really real discussion within the Federal Government if Trump supporters in the Govt should be subject to a security review to have their clearances revoked for Anti-American sentiments and activities.
Wait. Hold on a fucking minute.
I cant even have a security review to have clearance before I get a job that requires it (and then what happens if you don’t?) but these people aren’t even reviewed?
Fuck, you want to talk about compromised information, that’s a fuckload of security risks
Review used to be every five to ten years, but the Biden Administration changed it to five last year for all clearances. What’s being discussed is if MAGA supporters should be reviewed deeper as they are a threat to National Security. Generally speaking how someone votes has not been an issue for clearance unless you were a member of the Communist party. The problem now is that being a member of the Republican Party doesn’t mean you support Trump but if you do support him you lable yourself as a threat. It’s a slippery slope. Security clearance checks scan your entire internet history going back seven years. We are seeing clearances denied due to Xbox conservations, loads for social media comments. The Security form you fill out requires you list every online handle you used over the last seven years. To not list one would be a criminal offense. So it’s become a problem that MAGA is running into, their online history is creating red flags. The discussion is do they start treating MAGA like Communists and blanket ban them from public service.
every online handle over 7 years?
oh well, guess I’m really not going into DoD work now. I probably have a dozen or so that I don’t even have the username saved for.
Yeah, that was new to the form. They review your finances, every location you traveled, every address you lived at, interview neighbors, coworkers, they will pull logs from social media like FB, Twitter, Reddit, Playstation and Xbox, the pull phone records and GPS data, text records, ISP records, etc. That is why people with a TS clearance should not be on social media at all. That form gives the Federal Government full access to your entire history for that seven year period to determine if you are trustworthy.
For a normal security clearance they don’t go as deep, usually just financial and review for any police reports, but all give the govt the right to search everything if need be.
to determine if you are trustworthy
Yeah I don’t even trust myself that much
ZoboomafooI can’t guarantee I haven’t made politically spicy comments in the last 7 years and I’m usually a “trust the system” liberal
oce 🐆This level of transparency is dystopian.
I think it would be very hard to prosecute, because the Constitution gives direct protection to Members of Congress who are discussing matters at the Capitol on their official capacity, in the Speech and Debate clause. And since validating the Electoral College count is expressly spelled out in the Constitution as a thing Congress does, it will be hard to argue that the Speech and Debate Clause doesn’t apply.
MTG passage out pictures of Hunter’s penis in Congress, after all, and is not likely to face any repercussions at all. (If she does, it will be because she tweeted it, too.,…)
I think it all really depends on what you have evidence they said, saw and knew.
Yeah, I agree it will be impossible to convict a congressional rep for voting against certification. BUT if you have evidence that person was attending meetings where a criminal conspiracy was taking place and especially if you have evidence they were directed to stall, and especially if they knew what was to happen after the vote failed… Then idk maybe they can be charged as part of a conspiracy. But just voting NO on it? I don’t think that’s criminal in and of itself.
Or took people on tours so they knew where to go when they broke into one of our biggest buildings of power and tried to murder at least our vice president.
Yep. Don’t let them get away with pinning everything on Trump. The rest of the GOP is just as complicit.
Don’t forget the end of that quote:
“and the Republican congressmen”
“and the Republican congressmen”
@Chainweasel Remember the January 6 rioters that got into the Senate chamber rifling through senator's desks? How when they came upon Ted Cruz's desk they started reading the speech he had left there, got all riled up about it, then one of the rioters stops them and says something to the effect of "this is Ted Cruz - it's okay. He's with us"?
I’m so sick of these headlines.
They remind me of the endless headlines over the years (decades, actually) of how the Republican party is ready to collapse or implode or explode or insert-other-ominous-word-here.
As with all those failed predictions of the GOP going the way of the dodo bird, until I see Trump in an orange jumpsuit I won’t believe any of the shit they claim will happen.
The GOP dies with the Boomers so we still have a bit before it goes away. The DNC will become the new right but it will be because the center moves left and a Progressive Party is formed.
The GOP dies with the Boomers
This is incredibly dangerous and flat out WRONG thinking. This is being beyond naive.
HuddaBuddaIt not archaic, but the republican party will have to make shifts to survive, whether that be further gerrymandering states to favor them, or pivoting on toxic policies, but the real truth is they lost a whole generation
They won't die, but if they make no changes, they will be referenced like today's green party. No one will think them capable of winning an election.
Sorry but your political enemy is dying off. They went to far right to pivot.
I wish you were right but we’re not that lucky.
TigbittiesI agree they won't die but they will take a hit. As of 2021, 23% of Americans aged 18 to 29 are conservative, compared to 45% of Americans aged 65 and up.
The GOP dies with the Boomers
Looking at all the MAGA rallies over the last years, it looked like most attendants were significantly younger than Boomer age. Same with the guys who fly Trump flags on their pickup trucks. Same with the January 6 crowd. Same with the Proud Boys. Same with Bikers for Trump. Same with Moms for Liberty.
I think it’s wishful thinking to believe that the GOP will just vanish when the last Boomer dies. The GOP had already transformed into the party of Trump over the last couple of years, and it will keep on transforming.
It would take significantly more than old people dying fit them GOP to vanish.
MAGA is made up of people who are the scum of society. Criminals, con artists, drug dealers, etc… Hopefully you don’t think that is who the majority of voters are.
As the saying goes, “If there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis.”
I don’t care how many Republicans are troubled by Trump’s behavior, I don’t care how many Republicans think he’s a bit too much, I don’t care how many Republicans dislike the MAGA movement.
Talk is cheap.
74 million voters decided that they wanted Trump to be president for another term in 2020, decided to give Trump their vote, decided to support Trump. That makes them Trump supporters.
Not all Republicans are sitting at the same table. There are two very different tables and only one has Nazis sitting at it.
There are two very different tables and only one has Nazis sitting at it.
The one with the Nazis sitting at it has 74 million people.
How many Republicans are sitting at the other table, and where can I find that table?
Here you go The Freedom Caucus is the table you are looking for.
LOL.
The Freedom Caucus is the bloc that is trying to pull the GOP further to the right. The Freedom Caucus is where all the Obama hating Tea Party radical agitators ended up. The Freedom Caucus is completely aligned with Trump.
From your own link:
After hardline House conservatives aggravated GOP leaders by halting the chamber floor in protest, the Freedom Caucus — which most of the agitators call home — is growing in numbers.
The Trump-aligned bloc admitted two new members this week
Are you just not familiar with US politics?
Yes, they are the Fascists you are looking for.
The Freedom Caucus that is aligned with Trump??! That’s your example?
Line 2 – your article.
The Trump-aligned bloc admitted two new members this week:
@YoBuckStopsHere I don't know, I feel like I've been waiting 40 years for a new political party to be formed in the US.
It seems more like the two we have just keep morphing.
We all have been waiting but the funding and branding haven’t been there.
ScrollinMyDayAwayThat’s because the only time the D’s and R’s actually work together is to quash any 3rd Party from gaining traction.
They also band together to lower taxes on our oligarchy and corporations.
It’s always going to be two parties, because any other arrangement just hurts the parties with more in common. What does happen is one dies and a new party rises to replace it. For more simultaneous parties we need to (and should) change our voting system.
You’ll be waiting forever, the only way to make changes to the parties is to change them from within
That’s a nice thought, it really is.
Unfortunately it’s a very sheltered thought bud. Wherever you live, all the boomers must be the republicans.
Where I live I see teenagers in maga hats regularly. When I meet someone who isn’t a hardline Trump supporter it literally shocks me.
Things might go back to some sanity at some point, but it’s hard to imagine when everyone is being radicalized every day through extreme forms of media on the internet.
When I was younger I fully believed that the world would become more progressive because, well, progress. Most of the more liberal kids I grew up with are hardcore republicans coming up on their 40s now posting liberal tears memes.
I don’t know. Maybe we’ll get lucky. I definitely hope we do.
Teenagers are influenced by parents, usually by force.
There are plenty of rightwing pipelines out there for young people, regardless of their parents. With people like Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson, along with a much more online life so they can find and reinforce each other, I’d say it’s a much friendlier environment for right wing radicalization among young people than 20-30 years ago. The backbone of the Republican party may be old bigots, but at least some people in the movement are working very hard to generate young bigots to replace them and racism, sexism, and transphobia aren’t things only old people are prone to.
There are an awful lot of prominent Republicans among Gen-X and Millennials. 36-year-old grandmother Lauren Boebert; 41 year old Matt Gaetz; 49 year old MTG. Milo Yiannopoulos is 39. The “Proud Boys” founder is 39. Founder of the Oathkeepers is 57 (just barely Gen-X). College Republicans are a thing.
Their voters are Boomers. The majority of Gen X doesn’t vote at all and the majority that do are Democrat. Millennials vote more often and align left. Zoomers are still to young but appear to be majority left.
This is a pretty big oversimplification. Here’s a Pew research chart on the last few elections by party and age. The age of voters on both parties is high, but note that the difference between the number of younger Republicans isn’t wildly different from the number of younger Democrats. Also note that the percentage over 65 is pretty small
That’s fair. But what demographic votes for someone like boebert?
grognardishSome of us GenX, as kids, thought it would die with the 'Greatest' Generation and the Silent Generation. You know, the Strom Thurmonds of the world. The problem is, boomers that seemed cool actually weren't - and were just hiding it - way more than we could have believed. And growing up during Reagan poisoned a bunch of us too.
New bigots keep getting made. Preventing it needs an active approach.
They kinda did though. The tea party wackos took it over.