lwadminAug 15, 2023

Removal of piracy communities

https://lemmy.world/post/3234363

Removal of piracy communities - Lemmy.World

Earlier, after review, we blocked and removed several communities that were providing assistance to access copyrighted/pirated material, which is currently not allowed per Rule #1 of our Code of Conduct. The communities that were removed due to this decision were: - [email protected] [/c/[email protected]] - [email protected] [/c/[email protected]] - [email protected] [/c/[email protected]] We took this action to protect lemmy.world, lemmy.world’s users, and lemmy.world staff as the material posted in those communities could be problematic for us, because of potential legal issues around copyrighted material and services that provide access to or assistance in obtaining it. This decision is about liability and does not mean we are otherwise hostile to any of these communities or their users. As the Lemmyverse grows and instances get big, precautions may happen. We will keep monitoring the situation closely, and if in the future we deem it safe, we would gladly reallow these communities. The discussions that have happened in various threads on Lemmy make it very clear that removing the communites before we announced our intent to remove them is not the level of transparency the community expects, and that as stewards of this community we need to be extremely transparent before we do this again in the future as well as make sure that we get feedback around what the planned changes are, because lemmy.world is yours as much as it is ours.

Show threadJacktheladAug 15, 2023

And still people are crying about this.

You can literally change to another instance. That’s the entire point of the Fediverse. If you don’t like a decision the admin has taken, you can move elsewhere.

The entitlement of some people these days is ridiculous.

Show threadRealFknNitoAug 15, 2023

The fuck are you talking about? Most sane people go “Damn, this thing I like is now doing a thing I don’t like. I’m going to let them know and hopefully enough people agree to change it back.” but people like you with full fedi brain go “Whelp, this instance has a mod whose name contains two letter U’s in it, better change instances.”

You’ve watered down what the word entitlement so much I’m starting to doubt you ever knew what it meant. Entitlement is demanding your preference be catered to for the sake of it, community is giving feedback on what makes sense and what doesn’t. A general, all-purpose instance shouldn’t ban content except in extreme cases like they themselves state, which is illegal content. Piracy is not illegal, it’s ambiguous. Communities about piracy are not illegal and are infinitely more legal than the act of piracy.

This action makes very little sense when looked at sensibly and rather than hopscotch around instances like your mom in an all-male sorority I think we should give feedback to make an instance better before discarding it carelessly like a used condom in that same all-male sorority.

Show threadBobby BandwidthAug 15, 2023

Bro the fuck YOU talking about?

What would convince anyone to blindly accept liability for 100k users on a volunteer basis? If you owned the servers and your name was on the line, would you feel comfortable hosting “ambiguous” (your words) material?

Your tone echos the people that yell at FOSS devs on GitHub. You are the entitled one. It’s hilarious, you think you’re entitled to random people accepting liability on your behalf.

Show threadAngryMob
What liability?
Aug 15, 2023 at 10:19pmWeb
Show threadMuddybulldogAug 15, 2023
Admins and owners of instances can be potentially be held criminally and civilly liable for anything that gets hosted on their instance.
Show threadOduseiAug 15, 2023

There was no illegal content hosted in any of those communities.

These same communities already existed/exist on reddit with no issues.

Show threadMuddybulldogAug 15, 2023

Are you fully versed on all global laws that directly or indirectly target piracy and copyright infringement? Particularly the really murky ones regarding “facilitating infringement”.

I’m not.

Reddit has a very large, well paid legal team on retainer and the cost of litigation is factored in to their business model. Reddit prevailed in this case and likely spent at least a year of LW’s operating costs doing so.

It doesn’t matter whether you’re right, it’s a matter of being able to afford to prove you’re right.

Film studios lose bid to unmask Reddit users who wrote comments on piracy

Judge voids subpoena, says film studios sought info that isn't relevant to case.

Ars Technica
Show threadOduseiAug 15, 2023

Lawsuits are coming to Lemmy, and there’s mortally nothing we can do to stop it. All social media is facing the same crisis of liability, and republicans in America are dead set on killing the rules that currently protect them.

Lemmy.world is always at risk of dumb lawsuits for defedirating exploding heads (“silencing conservative voices in social media”), god knows how many asshole patent trolls, plus their huge gaping GDPR non-compliance.

The EU could literally destroy this all tomorrow if they wanted. Driving up the user base, driving up donations, and acquiring their own legal team is the only way any big instance is going to stick around by this time next year.