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Evangelicals now hate Jesus because he sounds like a liberal wimp

https://lemmy.world/post/3239186

Evangelicals now hate Jesus because he sounds like a liberal wimp - Lemmy.world

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/3377375 [https://lemmy.ml/post/3377375] > I read an essay by a christian a while ago that pointed out that the separation of church and state wasn’t about protecting the state from religion - it was about protecting religion from the state. > > The gist of the argument was that religion should be concentrating on the eternal, and politics, by necessity, concentrates on the immediate. The author was concerned that welding religion and politics together would make religion itself political, meaning it would have to conform to the secular moment rather than looking to saving souls or whatever. > > The mind meld of evangelical christianity and right wing politics happened in the mid to late 70s when the US was trying to racially integrate christian universities, which had been severely limiting or excluding black students. Since then, republicans and christians have been in bed together. The southern baptist convention, in fact, originally endorsed the Roe decision because it helped the cause of women. It was only after they decided to go all in on social conservatism that it became a sin. > > Christians today are growing concerned about a falloff in attendance and membership. This article concentrates on how conservatism has become a call for people to publicly identify as evangelical while not actually being religious, because it’s an our team thing. > > Evangelicals made an ironically Faustian bargain and are starting to realize it.

Aug 15, 2023 at 5:29pmWeb
Show threaderan_moradAug 15, 2023
Mans was a brown-skinned socialist Jew. They’d lynch him if they could.
Show threadBappityAug 15, 2023
can we start calling these “evangelicals” for what they are? cultist recruiters
Show threadhelixdauntingAug 15, 2023
Nationalist-christians, or “Nat-Cs” for short.
Show threadkescusayAug 15, 2023

Hmmm, let’s see…

  • Denigration of homosexuals
  • Disregard for democracy or anything resembling the will of the majority
  • The desire to install a dictator-for-life
  • The worshipful adulation of that dictator
  • Willingness to commit acts of violence for both political and social reasons
  • The absolute certainty that God is with them (it sounds better in German)

Yeah, that checks out.

Show threadcnirradAug 15, 2023
Can’t really be a Christian if you reject Christ.
Show threadCornelius_WangenheimAug 16, 2023
So kind of like the national socialists rejecting socialism…
Show threadLeviathanAug 17, 2023

In name only.

Like the DPRK or the CCP.

Show threadDragonTypeWyvernAug 16, 2023
Tell it to the majority of historical Popes.
Show threadReptorianAug 16, 2023
Christian Taliban would do.
Show threadrustyfishAug 17, 2023
I like the term: Y’all Qaeda.
Show threadTigbittiesAug 15, 2023
I hate evangerlicals becuase they sound like con artists and grifters
Show threadUranium3006Aug 15, 2023
I hate them because they're committing genocide against me and people like me.
Show threadMasterOBee Master/KingAug 15, 2023
What genocide are christians commiting?
Show threadJordan LundAug 15, 2023

Pregnant women?

www.cdc.gov/…/maternal-mortality-rates-2020.htm

Maternal Mortality Rates in the United States, 2020

National Center for Health Statistics

Show threadkeeb420Aug 16, 2023
I don't know if I'd call it a genocide but they are pushing trans hate and that has gotten people killed in the past.
Show threadpinkdrunkenelephantsAug 17, 2023
They’re ramping up to it. The U.S. is at a hard Stage 7 on the genocide scale.
Show threadafraid_of_zombiesAug 16, 2023
Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis
Show threadUranium3006Aug 16, 2023

https://newrepublic.com/post/172444/florida-passes-bill-allowing-trans-kids-taken-families

this meets the UN definition of genocide

Florida Passes Bill Allowing Trans Kids to Be Taken From Their Families

Florida Republicans have sent the kidnapping bill to Ron DeSantis to sign.

The New Republic
Show threadFlyingCricketAug 17, 2023

No it doesn’t. From the Wikipedia article:

In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group.

Trans people are none of these. They probably should be included, but as of now, they aren’t.

Genocide - Wikipedia

Show threadLeviathanAug 17, 2023
Wait til you find out they are con artists and grifters.
Show threadstyle99Aug 15, 2023
Evangelicals have been a lost cause since the mid-80s. They store everything on earth, not in heaven.
Show threadbufordtAug 15, 2023

They were already lost by the late 60s, early 70s. The proliferation of evangelical schools was in direct response to integration. They didn’t want their precious little children to have to go to school with black kids so they pulled them out of public schools and put them in segregation academies. Now they want to pull all the federal money from the public schools they abandoned out of racism and divert it into their segregation academy system.

They also shut down a lot of public pools because they didn’t want to swim with black people.

Show threadDragonTypeWyvernAug 16, 2023
Once I heard about this I looked at the founding dates of all the private schools in my area. Everything was founded in the mid 70’s.
Show threadInLikeClintAug 15, 2023
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. That means Jesus and I are now cool with each other, even though his whole story is sus AF.
Show threadJerkfaceAug 15, 2023
Did you ever watch Black Jesus? Everybody thought he was loony as fuck but they appreciated the spirit in which he went about things, so instead of revering him they just help him out like they would any other friend. I’d chill with Jesus.
Show threadeestileibAug 15, 2023
The enemy of your enemy is by no means necessarily your friend. They may be useful to you, but don’t take your eyes off your valuables or your kids around a preacher.
Show threadLastYearsPumpkinAug 15, 2023

I’d like to see a real study on this, because this “news” is a few layers of hearsay, and I’m not sure it would hold up to a real investigation.

It certainly matches what their behavior is, but I don’t know how much you’d really see evangelicals actually saying what is being claimed. Honestly, I don’t even know anymore, which is why I think a real poll/survey/study is needed.

Show threadJordan LundAug 15, 2023

I was ready to discount this as satire, especially when they ran the quote from Russell Moore speaking to NPR, but failing to quote the source…

So I ran it down, sure enough!

npr.org/…/southern-baptist-convention-donald-trum…

“On why he thinks Christianity is in crisis:

It was the result of having multiple pastors tell me, essentially, the same story about quoting the Sermon on the Mount, parenthetically, in their preaching — “turn the other cheek” — [and] to have someone come up after to say, “Where did you get those liberal talking points?” And what was alarming to me is that in most of these scenarios, when the pastor would say, “I’m literally quoting Jesus Christ,” the response would not be, “I apologize.” The response would be, “Yes, but that doesn’t work anymore. That’s weak.” And when we get to the point where the teachings of Jesus himself are seen as subversive to us, then we’re in a crisis.”

Show threadafraid_of_zombiesAug 16, 2023

Who said it, what church, what pastor, when did it happen?

I don’t want hearsay off hearsay told by a man who has made his career lying to people about skydaddy existing.

Show threaddownpunxxAug 15, 2023
protip: evangelicalizing was always smokescreen for racists, baptists same, catholics same. christianity is racism, always has been, always will be.
Show threadLanternEverywhereAug 15, 2023

Sorry but no, that's way too broad of a brush. There definitely ARE sects of christianity that are good, kind, and loving. They might be the minority (or at least seem to be the minority) but they do exist, and there are millions of those congregants.

While no one is perfect, Jesuits are a good example.

Jesuits formally declared that a commitment to justice was essential to their order’s work. This development brought many Jesuits to take progressive stances in religion and politics alike. Jesuits in Latin America, for example, adopted aspects of liberation theology, which emphasized concern for the poor and oppressed: providing for people not only spiritually, but materially. Today, in the minds of many, Jesuits continue to be associated with more progressive and liberal viewpoints.

https://theconversation.com/who-are-the-jesuits-177667

Who are the Jesuits?

The Jesuits are among the Catholic Church’s most influential religious orders but no strangers to controversy.

The Conversation
Show threadJerkfaceAug 15, 2023
I always try to keep in mind that when talking about groups to which I am not a member, they are likely more diverse than their representation would suggest. Examples like this really help clear things up. These are people to whom I would be proud to be an ally.
Show threadeestileibAug 15, 2023
Now look at what the Jesuits were up to 3/400 years ago and see whether you still want to be associated with them.
Show threadLanternEverywhereAug 15, 2023
I don't care what they did hundreds of years ago. I judge people on who they are, not on who their grand parents were.
Show threadeestileibAug 15, 2023

Joining a club is different from who your parents were, one is a deliberate choice.

But yay child-abuse-enabling religion I guess.

Show threadJerkfaceAug 15, 2023
Only 40 years ago, my best friend was pissing and shitting his pants. He’s an alright bloke, these days.
Show threadeestileibAug 15, 2023

Quakers, Episcopalians, UUs generally seemed on the decent side, at least with what they claim to believe and based on my personal anecdata.

And what’s their reward? A dying denomination.

The only growing Christian populations are the hateful ones. I have to deal with the Christians that actually exist.

Show threadGreenMarioAug 15, 2023

Not once have they spoke out of denounced their radical brethren.

By the logic of ACAB, it’s not just bad apples it’s the whole damn bunch.

Show threadmwguyAug 16, 2023
You’re not cynical enough yet. Humanity itself is the bunch.
Show threadGreenMarioAug 17, 2023
actually I am but I am open to being wrong and therefore Pleasantly surprised.
Show threadpinkdrunkenelephantsAug 17, 2023
🤔 You know, extraterrestrials could be too. If they naturally evolved, it’s almost guaranteed. Life selects for evil behavior.
Show threadmwguyAug 17, 2023
Look at me, the naive optimist again.
Show threadpinkdrunkenelephantsAug 17, 2023

Don’t say that. It’s good to be optimistic. We just have to be willing to accept reality if it violates our expectations.

Like say aliens turn out to be benevolent (or at least very good at pretending they are). That would violate my expectations, and I would honestly welcome it. It’s good to be wrong sometimes.

Show threadsndmnAug 15, 2023
These are the same people who are protesting at libraries while their children are literally raped by clergy.
Show threadpinkdrunkenelephantsAug 17, 2023
They’re the kind of evil that is unaware of the fact that they are evil.
Show threadmaajAug 15, 2023
…uhh, doesn’t that mean by their rules they won’t get into heaven anymore? “Yeah he died for our sins, but he’s a weak ass lil punk” is a wild sentiment to have and still expect to make it past the pearly gates.
Show threadMasterOBee Master/KingAug 15, 2023
Well the author doesn’t say that any of them said that, he’s just assuming some people think like that.
Show threadmaajAug 15, 2023
…nah, fuck all of that, how is your bigoted ass back here bothering me again? Have you at least looked into systemic racism yet mf??
Show threaddemletAug 15, 2023

In an interview with NPR, Russell Moore, who is editor-in-chief of Christianity Today, said that he hears from pastors who tell him about congregants who take umbrage at Jesus telling his followers to turn the other cheek. Moore said that someone invariably comes up to the pastor afterwards and says, “Where did you get those liberal talking points?”

“And what was alarming to me is that in most of these scenarios, when the pastor would say, ‘I’m literally quoting Jesus Christ,’ the response would not be, ‘I apologize,‘” Moore recounted. “The response would be, ‘Yes, but that doesn’t work anymore. That’s weak.’” For him, that shows that Christianity is in a state of crisis.

Literally from the article. Not sure how much closer to the horse’s mouth you need it to be. I’m in a pretty conservative area and this also rings true to sentiments I’ve heard from supposed Christians.

Show threadCatmaAug 15, 2023
If I am remembering correctly the only thing needed to get into heaven is to accept Jesus as your saviour and truely believe. Most of these people believe they are saved because they said some words and attend church regularly. They dont know the scripture outside the big ones, John 3:16 and probably the one in Leviticus about not sleeping with another man. Everything else is new to them every time they hear it.
Show threadmaajAug 15, 2023
Im going to keep it real with you, my focus at this point is on MasterObee’s bigoted hoe ass rn, my lil jokey joke is of litte importance. I do appreciate your input though.
Show threadafraid_of_zombiesAug 16, 2023

If I am remembering correctly the only thing needed to get into heaven is to accept Jesus as your saviour and truely believe.

Bible isn’t clear. Lots of debate about this. They could just admit that there is no afterlife and save themselves the trouble of debating it.

Show threadDrivebyhaikuAug 17, 2023
It would be really funny if they started paying more attention to the context surrounding the different books in the bible. Like how all Leviticus is canonically the laws of the tribe of Levi and give context for Jewish laws and how Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, and Philemon were all written by an asshole who already enjoyed telling people what to do who never met Jesus - just hit his head on a rock and said he hallucinated him but went on to become his own cult leader.
Show threadMasterOBee Master/KingAug 15, 2023

Hahahaha of course the c/politics favorite source for news on Christianity is lgbtqnation.com’s opinion pieces. This is what gets front page on this community?

Yeah, even if people don’t believe fully in the bible, we can believe in many of the core values that Christianity preaches (that almost all of western civilization as we know it is based on).

We can understand that two parent households are better for children and the nation. That small communities helping each other is preferable than the government taking money out of our paychecks so they can determine what’s best for us. That the way towards a more unified people is not government overriding and pushing culture.

Getting to the core of the article, the author doesn’t back up anything that’s said in the title. He references someone who writes for a journal that references someone else referencing someone else that doesn’t like the ‘turn the other cheek’ verse the way the pastor was using it. What a shit article.

Show threadYoBuckStopsHereAug 15, 2023
Why do you hate individual rights? It’s the core of what makes Americans, American. You can be who you want to be. Anyone who opposes that is Anti-American.
Show threadmaajAug 15, 2023
For someone who doesn’t like gay people, you sure do talk about them a lot.
Show threadNegativeNullAug 15, 2023

Yeah, even if people don’t believe fully in the bible, we can believe in many of the core values that Christianity preaches (that almost all of western civilization as we know it is based on).

Ah, an enlightened Jordan Peterson protégé I see.

Show threadJordan LundAug 15, 2023

I was ready to discount this as satire, especially when they ran the quote from Russell Moore speaking to NPR, but failing to quote the source…

So I ran it down, sure enough!

npr.org/…/southern-baptist-convention-donald-trum…

“On why he thinks Christianity is in crisis:

It was the result of having multiple pastors tell me, essentially, the same story about quoting the Sermon on the Mount, parenthetically, in their preaching — “turn the other cheek” — [and] to have someone come up after to say, “Where did you get those liberal talking points?” And what was alarming to me is that in most of these scenarios, when the pastor would say, “I’m literally quoting Jesus Christ,” the response would not be, “I apologize.” The response would be, “Yes, but that doesn’t work anymore. That’s weak.” And when we get to the point where the teachings of Jesus himself are seen as subversive to us, then we’re in a crisis.”

Show threadSanctusAug 15, 2023
Western Civilization is fucking based on getting away from religion. The forefathers specifically all split religion from the State because they jyst escaped a place where a King was playing God’s Avatar and fucking killing people. What history did you research where the forefathers were inspired by religion? Because none of this shit was based on any of that until grimy motherfuckers started interjecting their theologies into the State. You can make up whatever the fuck you want, but that doesn’t mean you won’t get called out on it.
Show threadafraid_of_zombiesAug 16, 2023

even if people don’t believe fully in the bible, we can believe in many of the core values that Christianity preaches

Homophobia, bigotry, slavery.

that almost all of western civilization as we know it is based on

Define Western civilization

We can understand that two parent households are better for children and the nation.

I see. So why are you guys attacking gay couples adopting?

That small communities helping each other is preferable than the government taking money out of our paychecks so they can determine what’s best for us.

What part of the bible taught you that? What controlled studies did you perform? How do you define “better”? Why do you hate cities?

That the way towards a more unified people is not government overriding and pushing culture.

You mean like praying in school for over a century?

You don’t have to dog whistle btw. We all know what you are really about.