The 90s - Lemmy.world

Took off the head and hid it under the seat. Like 90% of the people did in the late 90s early 00s. Lol.
Surely it’s basically exactly the same now still? Take the radio faceplate so it can’t be nicked, lock the wheel, make sure the windows are rolled up and if you live somewhere hot, use a reflector to help keep the heat away.
I haven’t seen a car with an aftermarket stereo in a decade but I’m probably speaking from a place of privilege. I do think they’re far less prevelant now though

Probably, but there was a time when you could easily make your old car feel new just by adding an aftermarket stereo with bluetooth (and mic compatibility) and a USB port and an aux-in port.

My car's 6-cd changer (which could play MP3 CD's) broke so I replaced it with one of a new one with all those features and it almost felt brand new. I could connect my phone to it, take calls via bluetooth, change all sorts of settings including balance and equalization, it was actually a revelation.

It was so good that I had my sister get the same thing, because while her radio worked, her CD player did not, and it was also very useful for her as well.

I actually got the idea because of all the features that my mother's (then new) 2013 Kia Soul had with its bluetooth and mic equipped stereo. Nowadays I think most new cars have a pretty decent entertainment setup with an integrated back up camera, so it's no longer necessary to get something aftermarket.

That said, there was a time where aftermarket was remarkably better than factory stock.

Backup cameras became required by law in 2016, so that is probably one of the reasons we don’t see a lot of aftermarket stuff now. Plus, there just isn’t a quality gap anymore. Want premium sound, pay $1,000 off top for Harmon Kardon.

I remember installing my alpine cd player and infinity 6x9’s in my 96 lumina. Man what a quality difference!

My new car has Harmon Kardon speakers and a massage function. It’s like a mobile pleasure pod.
I wish I had massage damn! I’d settle for a vehicle that’s not a truck that my thighs touch the seat though. I’m like 6’4” and all legs.
I wish I had massage damn! I’d settle for a vehicle that’s not a truck that my thighs touch the seat though. I’m like 6’4” and all legs.
I like VWs because they tend to fit my 6’5" frame. This ID.4 is by far the fanciest thing I’ve ever owned.

Backup cameras became required by law in 2016

That must be local to you, my 2019 car doesn’t have one and in my (European) country this is not mandatory.

They’re referring to the US
Ope, there I go forgetting the rest of the world exists again. Yeah it’s a US law.
They're less prevalent because it's more expensive to do really well now, at least with modern cars. You'll really only see it in dedicated communities. I can't say if they rely on faceplate removal as a security measure though. Security measures have gotten much better since then.

Every car in the USA made since 2018 is required to have backup camera from the factory.

So since every car has to have a screen for the camera, auto makers figured they may as well use for the stereo system.

This isn't entirely true. I have a backup camera and the audio system is still separate. Screens aren't all those giant dashboard ones. Some are small ones used to display simple data. Not even touchscreen.
I’m only like 3 years removed from having a car with an aftermarket stereo. But yes, they do seem to be on the way out.
I haven’t been in a car that isn’t a decade old, so this is normal
I bought a new car earlier this year and I don’t think I could replace the stereo even if I wanted to. It’s built into the dashboard. It’s like a touchscreen control panel that also has the heat settings and everything else in it. I love it and hate it at the same time.

I might be a bit dumb here, but I never got the detachable radio idea/need?

The radio interfaces were not exchangeable between different brands, right? Or was there an universal interface that I am unaware of?

So, wouldn’t a bad actor need to dismantle the entire radio head as well, for the interface part to be of any good use?

It wasn’t so much to not steal the interface, it was to not steal the whole unit from the car.

If the front was left attached, a thief would break in and steal the whole radio.

With the front off, it’s basically useless to steal the in car part.

its anti theft because the unit doesnt work without the face and they were married with a code. car radio theft was rampant in the early 90s

Thieves would also steal the entire stereo head unit – so many had an additional anti-theft feature.

If you wanted to remove the head unit you had to enter a code using the front plate buttons before you uninstalled it. If you didn’t it would “brick” itself to discourage theft.

Amateur, my ignition lock didn’t work and I’d disconnect my battery to shut the car off. I was the only one that knew the magic tricks to crank it back up. I dunno, my key got stuck in the ignition, so I just left it there. Like, who thinks to jam a flat screwdriver into the steering column tilt hinge to crank a car up?
Car thieves?

Nobody could steal that car even if they wanted to, unless they knew the internal mechanical structure of the steering column. When I used the screwdriver method, the screwdriver did not go into the ignition or any other intuitive location you might be thinking of.

The key that was stuck in the ignition wouldn’t turn to the start position, nor would it turn back to the off position to remove it. So it was a combination of connecting the battery then using the screwdriver as a lever in just the right spot in the steering column tilt hinge gap area to start it, and disconnecting the battery to shut it down.

I had never let anyone see exactly how I used the screwdriver on that car. Besides, it was such a rusted out beater, I could have parked it in a back alley in the Bronx and most likely nobody would have wanted to touch it, except maybe to steal the gas out of it LOL!

Northern California is exactly like this. I saw someone with the wheel jack thing just the other day and was like what the hell is that.

They tell visitors here in CA to leave cars unlocked and take your belongings so at least the windows don’t get broken into when the burglars break into your rental vehicle.

Theft is that rampant there?
Only in San Francisco and LA. My small town neighborhood has most of the cars parked on the street with doors unlocked because nobody steals shit here.
In the big cities, like other big cities.

No, but Republicans want you to think that it is.

There’s a lot of irrational fear mongering around crime in California that doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.

Yeah it is. There was a guy trying to break into the cars when my mother in law came out to visit, then her and my family went to SF for a visit and she had to call the police because there was a guy actively casing cars.

Got our bikes stolen after leaving them out in silicon valley too inside of a very upscale walled off apartment complex. Took me by surprise because we live in a nice area.

I’ve had a lot of different first hand experiences that have made me extremely weary.

I do this anyway, not for anti-theft reasons I just hate shit in my car, and I hate having to unlock it. So I leave the car empty and unlocked
Why do steering wheel locks seem so much less popular now? Same with the reflectors. Nothing’s changed about the best way to keep the car cool while you’re not in it but I almost never see them anymore and I’m in Australia of all places. Those things and to a lesser extent the steering wheel locks were everywhere in the 90s.
In my area the wheel locks have come back a little. Not as ubiquitous as I remember in the 90s, but they are back here and there. The reflectors are quite common in Colorado though. See those constantly.

Because engine immobilisers are a thing, that’s also why car keys are so expensive. The engine won’t start without the correct key so no need to worry about the wheel.

As for reflectors, the people that use them might just opt for ceramic window tints.

Tinting your windshield is illegal, but I guess you could just use a super clear ceramic film… Except it’s still super expensive and not as effective compared to a simple reflector.

Tinting your windshield is illegal

Actually, in most places there’s a maximum opacity for safety reasons rather than an outright ban. Granted, some jurisdictions set the limit so low that it makes the whole thing pretty much pointless 🤷

The engine won’t start without correct key

Unless of course you drive certain models of Kia and Hyundai

Hyundai, Kia reach settlement on vehicles vulnerable to TikTok theft challenge

Hyundai and Kia vehicles were vulnerable to theft using a simple USB charging cord. The challenge to steal them went viral on TikTok.

Los Angeles Times

And the older models as well

I drive a 2007 Kia and that thing has no special security features

Shit it doesn’t even have cruise control

Better not give Tom a ride, then. We’ve all seen how he gets when there’s a lack of control…
Really lol. So dumb but good
That’s a frequent description of my jokes 😁
Your steering wheel probably already has a lock built in from the factory, give it a tug without the key and it’ll lock in place, to unlock it you need the key
They did in the 90s too. Even in the 80s and 70s locking steering columns were a thing. I never understood the steering wheel locks.
Deterrent for when someone jams a flathead screwdriver in your ignition and starts the car you still can’t really drive anywhere because you can’t turn. Remember this was before expensive NFC or radio car keys.

Those three shits are pretty much needed in my country lol.

Except that I have electric windows.

The detachable radio ?
Probably, my car has one 🤣
just upgraded my car but i miss my crank windows
Ikr? They give you precision the electric ones can’t match. I wish there was an option to have both simultaneously.
This. If they made a kind of toggle switch, think like an analog stick on a controller or like the dimmer adjuster that you roll. Something like that would be nice so you could just get that exact spot you want.
Never have I ever, on any occasion, felt I needed any kind of precise control over any car’s window.
Lucky you; each to their own.
I’m guessing precise control is nice when you need a gap of very specific height in order for the air to make a difference but not be overwhelming.
Yeah I’m either a fully open or fully closed kinda guy.
You can use it while your car is off. And like another said it’s more reliable. But obviously its a minor thing and there’s a reason new cars dont have them. Still miss it tho lol
The electric ones could match it, but the designers choose not to give you a “slow mode” button, or any other number of ways to do it. I’m sure it has been suggested and shoot down by someone deeply concerned with costs and overcomplication.

Maybe I live around people who prefer old cars, but I feel like crank windows are still used quite a lot.

In addition to the precision some other lemming mentioned, they are more reliable, because a lot of stuff can go wrong in electrical systems and button windows rely on those being in working order (I also imagine that less people would know how to repair the electrics).

Top left and bottom right is something I still do.