stopthatgirl7Aug 11, 2023

Leaked recording reveals Michigan Trump ally ranting about 'civil war' after fake elector wife is indicted

Michigan State Rep. Matt Maddock, the husband of one of the 16 fake electors in that state who were indicted on multiple felonies last month, is warning that MAGA loyalists could escalate their violence to the level of war in an audio recording reported by The Messenger on Friday.“If the government ...

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Leaked recording reveals Michigan Trump ally ranting about 'civil war' after fake elector wife is indicted

Michigan State Rep. Matt Maddock, the husband of one of the 16 fake electors in that state who were indicted on multiple felonies last month, is warning that MAGA loyalists could escalate their violence to the level of war in an audio recording reported by The Messenger on Friday.“If the government ...

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the actual recording… and wow. I just dont even know how we can reach people like this. They are so convinced that they are the victims and that anything done to them is infringement on their right to hurt others.

I dont want to be a doomsayer but I think this country may be really screwed, without focused deprogramming they are convinced that the democrats want communism. Which is insane, because the democrats want status quo, and corporate oligarchy.

Fake Electors Charged By Michigan Attorney General Over Efforts To Overturn 2020 Election

Fake Electors Charged By Michigan Attorney General Over Efforts To Overturn 2020 Election

Aug 11, 2023 at 2:11pmWeb
Show threadstopthatgirl7Aug 11, 2023
Wait, is that the right link? It wasn’t of the recording.
Show threadinfinitevalenceAug 11, 2023
Thanks, fixed it!
Show threadstopthatgirl7Aug 11, 2023
Thank you!
Show threadElderosAug 11, 2023
The two-party system gotta end so the big parties can split and leave their history behind. You could have another party born out of bernier-aoc-warren with better PR called People of America or.some shit, with actual socialist policies, but it probably would not make them as mad, because their grievances are with the “Democrats”, you know, like a rival football team.
Show threadinfinitevalenceAug 11, 2023

problem is the its up to the Democrats and Republicans to choose to end the 2 party system. Which will never happen because they are both drunk with power.

I have spent my whole life advocating and voting for change and its clearly not working. maybe we can get the majority unionized and create a power block so big it cant be ignored anymore… but otherwise I just dont know what to do.

Show threadExecutiveStaplerAug 11, 2023
It's true that it's difficult, but it's not true that changing the voting system will never or has never happened. Link shows the states where RCV has been enacted on state and local levels. It's notable that it's mainly Democrat states that have enacted RCV and it's only Republican states that have banned it (which is fucking ridiculous). You could be the one to get RCV enacted in your city, which'll show everyone in your city how cool it is to have more choices, which'll then snowball into getting it enacted in your state, which long term could snowball into it getting enacted on the federal level.
You're nearly never more politically powerful than when you're one of a few dozen people in a city meeting.
Ranked-choice voting in the United States - Wikipedia

Show threadinfinitevalenceAug 11, 2023
ha… yeah no. I dont really want to get shot by my neighbours for trying to moderate politics in my “city” I dont even feel comfortable putting political signs on my lawn.
Show threadBraveSirZaphodAug 11, 2023
If this is your idea of meaningful political conviction, can you really be that surprised that not much changes?
Show threadExecutiveStaplerAug 11, 2023
Absolutely agree. I don't know what form of doomscrolling leads to such a paranoid view of the world that they believe their neighbors would shoot them for advocating for mere voting reform, but it's certainly not healthy. It's also plainly ridiculous for them to advocate for unionizing in the same trigger happy society that'd apparently off them the second they enter a town hall.
Show threadinfinitevalenceAug 11, 2023
Lemmy is my only social media.
Show threadAesthesiaphiliaAug 11, 2023

My friend, there are definitely parts of the US where having left-leaning views is dangerous. People can and do get attacked.

I know, I grew up in a place like that.

Show threadinfinitevalenceAug 11, 2023

no im just trapped in an unincorporated deep Red county, in the south. I im not paranoid, im just not dumb. I know exactly which neighbours I can be open with and its a shockingly small number. I am represented by people who advocate sedition and treason, I have neighbours who openly harass people who dont publicly identify as for Trump. Moderates have to run as independents and even then they are accused of being “Democrats” their are churches in my town that burn books in mass bonfires.

I will continue to try to change things by voting for moderate Republicans because at least then my vote counts. I will keep trying to appeal to the working-class people who have been left behind by education and globalization that support reasonable labour reform so long as its presented as a conservative ideal.

I advocate using their language, and appeal to their idea of fiscal responsibility, but no… I wont make myself a target in my house. I will go to rallies, I will go to parades, I vote in every election, but I dont preach about it to neighbours.

Show threadDarkGamerAug 11, 2023

Which will never happen because they are both drunk with power.

"Both sides," is inaccurate here. Democrats support ranked choice voting, Republicans oppose it. That's what's needed for other parties to be viable.

Show threadinfinitevalenceAug 11, 2023
Fair, but the challenge is that not enough Democrats support it. So while its inaccurate to suggest both parties are equal, its fair to suggest that its not to the benefit of either party and that motivates at least some members.
Show threadAesthesiaphiliaAug 11, 2023
It may be accurate but it's not fair. It suggests a false equivalence.
Show threadst3ph3nAug 11, 2023
Jesus Christ. Listening to what's in that recording is a lot more damning than what's written in the article.
Show threadinfinitevalenceAug 11, 2023

Want another raw recording of state lawmakers in TN? twitter.com/TheTNHoller/…/1646548124272324608?s=2…

Best quote “You gotta do what’s right even if it’s wrong”

The Tennessee Holler on Twitter

“⚡️NEW LEAKED AUDIO: TN House Republicans infighting over #TennesseeThree votes. CEPICKY: “You gotta do what’s right even when you think it might be wrong.”🤔 Leadership says Barrett made them look racist, Cepicky says they're at "war", etc. must-listen. https://t.co/mUkzwWXvav”

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Show threadstopthatgirl7Aug 11, 2023
The scary thing is they really think they’re completely in the right morally, and so ethics don’t matter.
Show threadBanzai51Aug 12, 2023
But rising up violently means these cowards would have to come to Detroit. They’re entirely too chicken shit to do it.
Show threadBiptaAug 11, 2023

Truth isn't truth.

It's their foundational belief.

Show threadkent_ehAug 11, 2023
Freedom is slavery…
Show threadsteebo_jackAug 11, 2023

I dont want to be a doomsayer but I think this country may be really screwed,

I get that feeling too, like in 50 years when the rest of the world is studying what went wrong with the US, 2016-2024 will be the time period that they will be looking at...

Show threadkent_ehAug 11, 2023
This has been building up for a lot longer than that. Some people post to Reagan, but it’s even older than that. I’d put it back to the early televangelist starting to get involved in politics. Swaggart, Graham, Roberts, Hubbard, Bakker, Falwell, and especially Pat Robertson. Bastard even tried to run for president.
Show threadReklinerAug 12, 2023
Inevitably these discussions lead back to Nixon and his various paranoias.