šµšø Free Palestine šµšøNew book reveals Tiananmen square massacre, others fabricated by US
Forgot to add things in the post before! Maybe you wonāt see the updated post for some glitch in the federation!. Putting this here anyway:
US mainstream news outlets like CBS News with actual reporters on the ground at the time: cbsnews.com/ā¦/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massaā¦
Classified US communications with assets on the ground: wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/89BEIJING18828_a.html
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More Read: redsails.org/another-view-of-tiananmen/
ninjanIt was not fabricated by the US. Full stop. It has absolutely been used as propaganda, like literally every politically charged event ever, but it actually happened and wasnāt made up. A lot of brave Chinese men and women died that day. The exact number will likely never be known because it was and is an indefensible act by the Chinese military and by extension government and they will never share their true, unabridged reports of the event.
_comfortablyAverage_we know enough to realise that living in china is a hellish worst case scenario for anyone decent
Lol yeah sure just like how the Trail of Tears and transatlantic slavery never actually happened and were fabricated by China to discredit the peaceful and freedom loving American government
infinitevalenceDonāt forget how the Chinese used smallpox infected blankets to kill off indigenous populations in the Americas. /S
JeenaWhen I see things like that I always like to see what kind of website this is en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Mayadeen
SemIt is argumentum ad hominem. Imo, doesnāt matter what site is it. If the site has a bad reputation just check sources twice but do not reject the article just because the site. Thatās how I see it.
article titles on its Arabic website include "The Holocaust ā that great deception", "Why do the Jews rejoice at the burning of Notre Dame in Paris?", "Jews and Freemasons in the Arabs' revolutions", and "The Jews of 'Israel'" ā this is why their end is certain"
They also refer to the Ukrainian government as a "Nazi regime."
Your choice, but choosing to believe that site is plainly asking to be lied to. Advising others to "check sources twice" is pretty laughable in this context. This is unintelligent and blatant propaganda.
š¦min0nimš¦Checking sources twice is something you should do from a news agency that is actually reputable. As in it trades on being honest and accurate.
Youāre not obliged to read everything from an outlet that has no track record of honesty and integrity simply because youāve been vested around the head with the internet ālogical fallacyā meme one too many times.
Thinking that everything you read on the internet should be worth your time to fact check is the ultimate logical fallacy.
magnetosphere āJournalistsā who take money from these people donāt deserve that kind of respect. Iām not going to invest my time āchecking sourcesā on propaganda, and expose myself to even more lies in the process.
Sorry, if you post Nazi propaganda and Holocaust denialism, you lose all credibility as a source.
Nazis are more than welcome to try to argue that they are a decent source, but anyone with a brain is going to discount the site and stories when you see the dreck they post.
chaosThere is never going to be a case where the world misses the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything because it was said by a Nazi and everyone refused to listen to the Nazi. When itās clearly straight up propaganda, itās perfectly rational to dismiss it due to the source and not investigate further. If thereās a valid and useful point to be made, itāll get made in more respectable sources too and then it might be time to pay attention. Plus, even if they do cite sources, itās hard to spot where theyāve twisted or lied about those sources, but itās really easy for the propagandist to spout whatever nonsense they believe because they donāt care about the truth. That asymmetry is good for the Nazi and bad for decent people, and the way to fix that is donāt waste your time carefully investigating and critiquing Nazi bullshit.
Now go in front of a mirror. Look at yourself and read your comment aloud. And then start reading the western MSM on Tienanmen. I hope youāll be able to figure at least something out of it.
Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]This massacre of innocent bicycles cannot be allowed to stand.
I wish the title wasnāt so clickbaity, since it sounds like they are trying to deny that there was violence at all, which is out of touch with reality.
In one of the links listed by op:
"GALLO SAW MANY CASUALTIES BROUGHT INTO THE SQUARE AND DID NOT DOUBT THAT HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN BEIJING WERE KILLED BY THE ARMY ON JUNE 3 AND 4."
Yup. Sounds like a massacre to me.
"GALLO SAW MANY CASUALTIES BROUGHT INTO THE SQUARE AND DID NOT DOUBT THAT HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN BEIJING WERE KILLED BY THE ARMY ON JUNE 3 AND 4."
Yup. Sounds like a massacre to me.
Let me be clear here, no oneās denying the skirmishes and bloodshed that happened there. But the way it is portrayed in the western media is actually far from the ground reality. Have a read at that btw even WikiLeaks provide evidence of fabrication by the US
The title of the post is "massacre... fabricated by US". Not some details about massacre. Not location of deaths fabricated. The post reads as though you're claiming the whole thing was fabricated.
For me, I don't think it makes a difference if hundreds of people were killed inside or outside the square.
For me, I don't think it makes a difference if hundreds of people were killed inside or outside the square.
From your CNN link:
But thereās no question many people were killed by the army that night around Tiananmen Square, and on the way to it ā mostly in the western part of Beijing.
Saying that the āTiananmen Square massacreā killings actually happened in other parts of the city may be an important academic distinction, but it isnāt a particularly stirring defense of the armyās actions.
Let me be clear here, No oneās denying skirmishes and bloodshed. But the way it is portrayed in the western media is actually far from the ground reality. Have a read at that btw even WikiLeaks provide evidence of fabrication by the US
DieterParkerthx, nice read!
Considering this is the image of Tiananmen that lives in the western popular consciousness, I think there is real value in deconstructing this myth though.
A new book reveals that numerous atrocities that the United States had alleged to have been committed by its foes never happened to begin with.
Reveals? Seriously?
The hoax built around Tiananmen Square was a blueprint for US media campaigns aimed at showing the Chinese government in a bad light, as Washington went on to accuse Beijing of perpetrating a genocide against the Uyghur people in Xinjiang province.
Oh, please.
Keep your tankie apologist shit to yourself. Thanks.
Congratuations citizen! You have been awarded with +250 Social Credits for proving China did nothing wrong. If you also prove that Uyghurs in our country have no complaints whatsoever, you can get an additional +500 Social Credits.
All hail our glorious leader Xi Jinping
133arc585Congratulations citizen! You have been awarded with a 600 FICO score for promulgating sinophobic nonsense. If you also prove that China is the Big Evil, you can get an additional 250 FICO score.
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I donāt think you see the irony in using the dead trope of āSocial Creditsā when an actual credit score exists in FICO and can be used to deny you housing, loans (and therefore access to education), jobs, and more. And if you think itās just financial transactions, try looking at what companies like LexisNexis have on you that it coalesces into things like āRiskViewā, or how much of a profile skip tracing agencies have on everyone. Then you have the profiles built on you by several government domestic (and foreign) surveillance agencies. And you have the profiles built on you by several big tech companies. Just because thereās not a single, unified, government-sponsored surveillance and consumer rating agency doesnāt mean the tangible effects of such disparate systems arenāt identical to what you claim happens in China (i.e., denial of services and access). It doesnāt matter if itās 50 different entities controlling parts of the system if the end result is identical.
Go back to
Yes, not supporting a government that does genocide at this very moment against Uyghurs definetly somehow means I support a dead genocidal regime.
This might be controversial to you, but genocide is not a good thing.
Go back to , and take your Adrian Zenz nonsense with you.
imagine unironically thinking āeveryone i disagree with is a naziā
Hey you said it, not me.
BeamBrain [he/him, they/them]Just like there were totally WMDs in Iraq and Kuwaiti babies were definitely thrown out of incubators
marx_mentat [he/him, comrade/them]Oh cool the redditors are here now
gifferqqqAh I wonder what lemmy.ml is up to do...
Oh okay it's still tanky shitposts