πππππ πΆππππππ π"In a quality city, a person should be able to live their entire life without a car, and not feel deprived."
βPaul Bedford (photo: the bicycle wagon of a train in #Copenhagen's station.)
As Bedford points out, the opposite is also true:
"A good sustainability and quality of life indicator: the average amount of time spent in a car."
(Elevated time car-commuting time also turns out to be a reliable metric of social isolation and general life dissatisfaction.)
Niclas HedhmanWith Internet, society should be able to deprecate the "city". We don't all need to be stacked on top of each other, in homes, in cars, in subways and so on.
Doubt I will see it in my life time...
Sarah Peper π³οΈββ§οΈπΊπ¦@niclas @straphanger the thing is that cities are a lot more efficient at providing amenities, good transport and 3rd spaces.
Quite funny to hear you say "good transport", with such a photo at the top of the thread.
Only a small handful of cities provide more than a handful of people with "good transport", or amenities for that matter. My current local village (~1500 households, but I used to live in massive cities before) is more than adequate, and provides a higher quality of life, with nature outside the window.
Laust@niclas @jay_peper @straphanger you just need to live in a civilized country instead of a place which has been commandeered by the car lobby :)
And you might be thinking about "car infested hellholes" where most people here (I believe) mean "places to prioritize people over cars".
You might also want to think about how well rural areas and suburbs can actually pay for their own infrastructure (it tends to be difficult).
And you might be thinking about "car infested hellholes" where most people here (I believe) mean "places to prioritize people over cars".
You might also want to think about how well rural areas and suburbs can actually pay for their own infrastructure (it tends to be difficult).
@niclas @jay_peper @straphanger also, how is a train (which allows you to bring your bike) not good transportation?
Sorry, I didn't scroll to "top", but meant the "traffic jam" photo.
Rural roads; Where I live (Sweden) many of the roads around me are private, i.e. we who need them "pay" for the upkeep. There is an association that does the maintenance of mainly gravel roads, by engaging members in the association to do the actual work (many of the members are farmers with the heavy machinery needed) cutting the cost to a fraction of what the State would have to pay.
@niclas @jay_peper @straphanger ah, that makes more sense then :) But the point (I think) was exactly to avoid designing cities for cars and to start designing them for humans instead. Which should mean an end to "car sewers" and a focus on walkable cities with public transit and enabling walking, cycling, and other forms of active transportation.