What are your criteria for choosing an instance other than Lemmy.world?

https://sopuli.xyz/post/2102072

What are your criteria for choosing an instance other than Lemmy.world? - Sopuli

Hello everyone, Based on the recent instability of Lemmy.world, a lot of people have been wondering whether they should move to another instance. I used to look at https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list [https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list] and recommend people to pick a generalist instance with as much users as possible (using the 1m column), usually - lemm.ee [http://lemm.ee] - sh.itjust.works - sopuli.xyz - lemmy.one - reddthat.com [http://reddthat.com] - etc. Of course, there are also the regional options - feddit.de [http://feddit.de] - lemmy.ca [http://lemmy.ca] - aussie.zone - feddit.nl [http://feddit.nl] - feddit.uk [http://feddit.uk] - midwest.social - etc. And of course, the thematic instances - programming.dev - lemmy.blahaj.zone - discuss.tchncs.de [http://discuss.tchncs.de] - lemmy.dbzer0.com [http://lemmy.dbzer0.com] - etc. I used to recommend the most populated instances, as we know that All depends on users subscribed from the instance. However, now with the introduction of the Lemmy Community Seeder (https://github.com/Fmstrat/lcs [https://github.com/Fmstrat/lcs]), which > tells your instance to pull the top communities and the communities with the top posts from your favorite instances do you think this should still apply? I have seen promising instances (high uptime, already on 18.4 that was released today) - discuss.online - lemmy.ninja - unilem.org [http://unilem.org] - etc. Would you recommend users to join those as well, assuming that the admins use the LCS to populate the All feed? Most of us remember the Vlemmy.net [http://Vlemmy.net] disappearance, and it’s difficult to tell users to join small instances based on good faith, but at the same time, every instance needs to start somewhere, and they should be given a chance. What do you think?

I’m new to it all so I registered on lemmy.world and subscribed to several communities. I also registered and subscribed to the same communities on lemmy.ee. When lemmy.world is down, I use lemmy.ee, but those subscribed communities that are local on lemmy.world are no longer accessible. I thought communities synced over instances so if an instance goes down, communities are still accessable. Is this not true?

Hello,

Thank you for your message. You might want to have a look at github.com/CMahaff/lasim to sync subs between accounts.

I thought communities synced over instances so if an instance goes down, communities are still accessable.

They are, but not in the way you think: if you follow [email protected] from lemm.ee, and then lemmy.world goes down, you can still see the content of that community on lemm.ee, it does not become unavailable to you.

I hope this answers your question

GitHub - CMahaff/lasim: Move your Lemmy settings from one account to another

Move your Lemmy settings from one account to another - CMahaff/lasim

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I thought communities synced over instances so if an instance goes down, communities are still accessible. Is this not true?

This is not true. ActivityPub (the protocol Lemmy instances use to speak with one-another) does not intend to be a redundant, distributed datastore. There are a few reasons for this. One is practical. It needs to be affordable to start a new instance. If the requirements for starting a new instance entail mirroring significant parts of the fediverse (a network of over 2 million users and 22,000 instances) it would be impossible for anybody to do it unless they were Google/Facebook.

Another has to do with trust. A community has a home. That home is chosen (ideally) because the admins can be trusted. That instance is the universal source of truth for that community. If communities didn’t live on a specific instance, they would be vulnerable to various forms of hijacking. The home instance has the final say on who has permission to comment, and who has permission to perform moderator actions. None of these actions could be trusted if they weren’t cleared by the home instance first. Third party servers perform basic validataion against the currently known ban list / mod list / etc, but this could easily be spoofed by malicious instances.

Finally (though not really), ActivityPub isn’t designed to be a broadcasting protocol. In the case of Lemmy, and other Reddit-like clones, it effectively acts as such, but it is intended only to send messages to the places they belong. If you post a message and the subscribers to that message only exist on 3 servers, that message ONLY gets sent to those three servers, even though there are thousands of servers in the network (at least, this is how it is supposed to work in theory).

High on my list of important attributes is an instance that specifically does not defederate from others. If I see something I don’t want to see anymore I just block it myself. But I’d rather be treated like an adult capable of making my own decisions about what to see and read. If you’re also looking for this I suggest unilem.
Not even the the instances that host outright hatred or drawn CP? :/
No illegal content so definitely no CP. I believe that hate speech is banned of it meets the threshold of incitement to violence.
AFAIK you can’t block an instance from your account. I.e. I like to keep tabs on the invasion of Ukraine, but one of the instances I used to use for that still federates with lemmygrad, so I would get russian propaganda in my feed from time to time. I would block that user, but there would always be another one eventually. I just don’t use that instance much any more.
Yeah it’s a pity - I hope the core Lemmy devs can find a way to facilitate it although I have an inkling that it’s not as simple as it sounds.
Sync for lemmy let’s you do this.
I still want to know my enemies.
I still want to know my opponents.
You can block instances with certain apps. Sync does it, I forget which others.
I went with lemmy.one because of privacyguides from reddit, and I liked that the move of actually being serious about the protest by making an alternative to move away from. Very few of the subreddits I subscribed to ever decided to make an instance or a fediverse community, so lemmy.one was what I defaulted to in the beginning. Since then Android has made an instance too, so that’d be my second choice. Anyways, that’s how I decided by going with what I was familiar with.
i went regional for a friendly region in my main language. It has a comunity for pudus which gives it extra points tbh. [email protected] if interested.
Pudu - Wikipedia

As a new lemmy user, I made an account on lemmy.world and programming.dev as I am a developer. Still trying to figure it all out but I think making my home base programming.dev since it’s I think it’s federated with most other instances and my all fees remains about the same. I mostly joined for the dev communities but also want to mix in some memes and general news so I can follow the goings on of the world

I went with Feddit.uk as I am in the UK and it also helps give a more local spin to things because, increasingly, the English-language web seems to default to an American take on things and so going local helps counter that.

Plus uptime is good and the admin has said they will wield the defederation hammer sparingly.

There’s also the niche hobby based instances. Such as the TTRPG, pathfinder, startrek, etc. (There’s also mine for books & writing…)
If I were to move instance for some reason, my primary concern would be that they aggressively and pro-actively moderate bigotry of all sorts, rather than "both sides"ing it
100%, I’m weary of instances with little to no defederations

Lol I love the duality of lemmy: the first top comment says “the least defederations, the better”, while the second top comment states the exact opposite.

I’m somewhere in-between. Defederation from obvious problematic instances (like lemmygrad, explodingheads etc.) is important, but there’s no need to overdo it.

Yeah. The reason why mine is so large is because it copies over from across the fediverse, not just in lemmy.

So…beehaw?

TBF, I have accounts at beehaw, world, and sopuli in addition to kbin. Each one has its own feel, and sometimes I’ll pull one up just based on my mood.

More than likely, yeah

I advertised my instance in a different thread. It’s been almost exclusively a single-user instance, and I use both LCS and Lemmony to federate popular content. I’ve been exceedingly happy with it and don’t plan on going anywhere, so I figured I could handle a few extra users.

So if your criteria include:

  • High uptime
  • Federation with popular content
  • Sensible rules

… feel free to check my instance out. Do note that so far, I’ve only defederated from exploding-heads (right-wing trolls) and threads (preemptively, of course).

I’ll probably cap registrations at 100 users or so, just to make sure my systems can handle the load, then see where things stand.

Interesting, thanks for sharing
What country is it hosted in?
I take the host my own instance path. It’s safer and more stable than relying on a third party.
General-purpose Lemmy instance. New users and communities welcome! Has upvoting and downvoting. Also, federated with most instances.

Stability – So, uptime and rate at which it updates with Lemmy.

Moderation – One or two good Admins at least to keep things running smoothly and communicate with us Lemmings effectively, and have a decent ruleset.

Federation – Wide enough that I can get the content I’m looking for whilst (likely) not dealing with nutjobs.

The rest is all good, the federated nature of everything means I don’t really need to be where the communities I use the most are.

Seems like a nice list

My three top criteria for picking an instance were:

  • Little to no defederation issues, in either direction.
  • Likely to stick around for the long term.
  • Relatively small.
  • Yeah similar, especially the longevity
    I was on lemmy.world but after admin made executive decision to defederate from hexbear I bailed to lemmygrad. No time for powertripping mods

    A probably too long post about an entirely different way of viewing things:

    I have accounts at... I guess about eight instances. I didn't see any reason to pick one, so I just signed up for everything that looked interesting and promising.

    I expected to eventually settle on one, but as it turns out, I actually like having multiple accounts. I have four that I rotate between at the moment. Oh, and with the same username on each, though I still haven't decided if that's a good idea or not.

    First, I have a kbin account and multiple lemmy accounts. Even though lemmy has more users, I much prefer kbin just as far as the software goes - it's just a better UI. And Ernest is awesome.

    Beyond that though, each instance is a different experience, since the federated communities on each one are different, depending on what other instances they're federated with and which communities from which instances people have subscribed to. And I've amplified that by having different sets ofvsubscriptions on dofferent instances.

    Kbin.social has a good mix of content but without most of the botfarm instances. I like that. That's where I do virtually all of my serious posting.

    Lemmy.world (when it's up) has a wide range of content, but too much of it, even not counting the bots, is too shallow IMO. It feels too much like Reddit for my tastes. It is the best one to check in on for the most popular topics though,vand it's where I'm most likely to be subscribed to communities for memes, humor, drama, pictures - all that sort of junk.

    Lemmy.one actually feels like what it is - an instance that demands that users behave themselves. It's nice when I want to just unwind, because it's already the case thatvproblematic instances are defederated, and I have a limited set of feel good subs there. I almost never post from there though, since I don't trust myself to behave.

    Lemmy.ninja is my favorite. It's just little quirky little instance with terrific admins and an amusing aesthetic. It's little though - 120 users last I heard. That shows in its all, which is fairly limited, presumably just because few people means few subscriptions so few federated communities. That's fine though - it's a selection that matches my interests fairly well. And ninjas are cool.

    And I'm still on the lookout for a serious, scholarly sort of instance - somewhere that will be a comfortable home for subs to philosophy communities and the like.

    I’ve just got one criteria: I host 😀
  • No tankies.
  • That’s pretty much it. I went with kbin.

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    For me, I would want to to federate and not be defederated by with Lemmygrad and Hexbear, while also having the same for things like aussie.zone, pathfinder.social, slrpnk.net, and the larger instances so I can pick out good communities from them. Stability matters more than size for me, I have no issues with the all feed and actually have had to block some communities due to spam or lack of interest as it is.

    Also, is it the case that it only shows communities someone is subscribed to in all, or is it discovered communities?

    Who are Hexbear? And why are people defederating from them?

    Hexbear was a fork of Lemmy made by former chapotraphouse users when they were booted off Reddit. They have recently worked to refederate with a select number of instances, with the potential of adding more in the future if it doesn’t disrupt the community they’ve built. Luckily for me, SDF is in the whitelist, although I also have an account on Grad and TTRPG.

    Lemmy.world preemptively defederated with them based on a pretty bad reading of a hexbear announcement on how to behave in other instances, despite world’s reluctance on federating from exploding heads originally.

    I went to sign up. There was a notification that advised me to not use the main servers and listed others. I picked one randomly and I’ve been happy since. I pay them through Patreon voluntarily because they deserve support but they don’t solicit. You have to dig a little to find it.
    I went with lemmy.ml
    I’m glad I got in before they closed registration. They definitely seem focused on stability over uncontrolled growth.
    Over the last month or so it has gotten a lot faster too, but I think it is mostly due to software optimization
    I like having an instance with local communities that match some of my interests. I also tried to find one a little more niche, but not so small as to be run out of someone’s closet. And of course, always donate to your home instance. Bandwidth doesn’t grow on trees!

    always donate to your home instance

    Couldn’t agree more. I treat this as a rule across the fediverse. Hell I spend more time on various fedi platforms than I do playing video games, so I may as well put my money where my mouth is

    Kbin is superior
    I mean I contribute, but I still go back and forth. What’s the selling point for you?

    Seriously, what’s the difference? If you are accessing and contributing to the same data pool, what’s the difference besides the UI?

    I haven’t used kbin, so I haven’t seen the difference yet.

    kbin is a lot more than just "a different lemmy interface", it also has an entire microblogs like system that allows you to make mastodon-like posts, and the reputation system is different (upvotes and downvotes don't affect how high up a post is shown, boosts are a kbin feature that does affect reputation, and also shows it to anyone who follows you)
    I really like that downvotes are public
    we have access to mastodon feeds, as well. we can also block entire instances. the default site works very, very well as a PWA, the base interface has more settings options.
    I see the appeal, but the lack of apps is a dealbreaker for many. I know Artemis is in beta, but the dev having to build it without an API is a high entry barrier
    Kbin’s PWA is great as an app
    It is a great app, but more options are always welcome