dontblinkLooking for an ebook reader (hardware) which doesn't hold a proprietary OS
GnorvLook at OnyxBoox
JustTestingSeconded, i love my Boox. it just runs android (with tweaks for e-Ink) and you can install what you want from the play store, it’s not locked down.
You can even install the Kindle app if you ever do want an Amazon ebook, works really well.
It’s also nice for using apps of various newspapers.
Plus the ones with a stylus make for a great notebook.
I wouldn’t recommend the color ones, it’s nice for comics but the colors just aren’t vivid and it’s not there yet in terms of quality.
I have the first Boox Nova (color) and while it’s true that the colors aren’t vivid, it actually makes for a great comic book (and manga) reader. The color pallete in comics is generally limited anyways, plus the grainy low-DPI image reminds me of how comics used to look like back in the day - grainy and low colored. So ironically the limited display actually makes it a great fit for comics.
But od course, it’s not ideal if you have want to read full-color high-res content like magazines and modern webcomics (you can, but the performance isn’t really that great).
For me though, as a manga/comic reader, instead of the display, the most limiting thing I found was actually the RAM - after a long comic reading session it would run out of RAM, bringing the OS to a crawl, and forcing me to restart my apps. But it’s not a huge issue, or maybe there’s a memory leak in Tachiyomi. Regardless, I feel 3GB isn’t enough for any large device these days.
Still, right now, this is the best “open” ereader that you can actually buy, that doesn’t lock you into any subscription (like the reMarkable tablets) or proprietary apps.
Do you know if there are any issues using either the Marvel or DC apps? I read one review of a color eink tablet (forget which) and the review said sometimes controls didn't appear correctly for certain apps and now I'm paranoid about getting one (I was looking at boox) and worrying somehow the apps won't work. I don't have anything but that random review from some forum but it was enough to worry me.
Not sure about DC/Marvel apps sorry, I don’t use them (I usually avoid apps which have a dependency on the Play Store). I use Comixology and Tachiyomi for my comics instead, and don’t have any issues with either of them. That said, generally speaking apps that aren’t optimized for e-readers can in fact behave a bit odd, but this is why Boox included a per-app optimization tool, thru which you can customize the DPI, background color, fonts, refresh type etc for each app. For instance, Comixology has a dark background by default which doesn’t look nice on e-ink, so you can tweak it via Boox’s tool to display a bright background instead (the comics themselves display properly).
Does it support a web browser? Cause I've also been considering ditching play-dependent apps and could theoretically just use their web site for comics.
Yep, it comes with a skinned version of Chrome. It’s just standard Android without Google Play Services, and a custom launcher. So you’re free to install any browser or a third party app/store. I use F-Droid and Aurora Store to install my apps. They do have their own app store as well, but it has a very limited selection of apps.
Awesome, thanks for the info!
Oh don’t get wrong, it works fine for comics. the small screen and having to move around whole pages, and sometimes struggling to read small writing are issues (you can zoom but it’s not very responsive) aren’t great, but I’ve read many a comic. But if comics are the main use case, I’d probably go for a tablet still. If you get one for books solely, then the color one has less DPI and more ghosting, that’s why I wouldn’t recommend it.
And I don’t use the color feature much outside of reading comics. I thought it might be nice for color diagrams for work, but it’s a bit hard telling the colors apart when it’s just thin lines.
But I’m super stoked for where the color e-ink technology is heading.
I mostly used the stock boox neo reader for comics and didn’t have an issue with ram. Do you know how it compares to Tachiyomi?
I actually haven’t tried the Boox reader app at all! Tachiyomi is more of a downloader+reader, you can add multiple source plugins and it can search for and download (scrape) books from various sources.
It does have a few handy features for smaller screens though, such as the ability to crop borders, so you may not need to zoom into the content, plus there are various fit/zoom/crop options which you can play around with. So, at least for the comics I read (and my screen size/eyes) + Tachiyomi I don’t need to zoom around at all, so the form factor is very convenient.
I own an Onyx Boox Air, but sadly can’t recommend it as Onyx refuse to comply with the Linux kernel license and don’t publish their changes. Not only is this a dick move it means custom ROMs and hacking is not likely to happen.
And is illegal.
PeachManAgainst the terms of use? Yes. Illegal? Sort of, but practically not until somebody proves it in court.
Against the terms of use? Yes.
The terms of use are legally binding. If you violate the terms of use, you’re breaking the law.
Illegal? Sort of, but practically not until somebody proves it in court.
Not sure what you’re trying to say here. Violating copyright is against the law.
I’m saying that if a law isn’t enforced, then breaking that law EFFECTIVELY is not illegal. Companies have been violating open source TOS for decades and nothing has happened. To make them stop, somebody would have to put up the money and lawyers to sue them and make them pay. But that hasn’t happened yet, so the status quo will continue.
nothing has happened
Dafuq are you talking about?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gpl-violations.org#Notable_…
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BusyBox#GPL_lawsuits
ChronoshiftI’ve looked into this in the past and settled on Kobo. You can disable the telemetry and never use the the Rakuten account part and have a very good ereader… And you can install the open source KOReader software.
MobileRead forums and wiki are a good resource for ebook stuff.
For example, a breakdown of the hidden configs on Kobo devices wiki.mobileread.com/…/Kobo_Configuration_Options
GitHub - koreader/koreader: An ebook reader application supporting PDF, DjVu, EPUB, FB2 and many more formats, running on Cervantes, Kindle, Kobo, PocketBook and Android devices
An ebook reader application supporting PDF, DjVu, EPUB, FB2 and many more formats, running on Cervantes, Kindle, Kobo, PocketBook and Android devices - koreader/koreader
N1cknamedMy kobo is great. You never have to connect it to the internet if you don’t want to. I transfer epub files to it via USB.
reallyzenSame here. I only buy drm-free from ebooksdotcom, and transfer them with caliber. My kobo wifi isn’t even configured.
and (for anyone reading this later) if you are all about keeping things up to date, you can sideload firmware
wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/Kobo_Firmware_Releases#F…
(at your own risk)
massive_bereavement*Calibre. (link for those that don't know it: https://calibre-ebook.com/)
Ferk+1 on this. Kobos actually use Linux under the hood. And although the default UI is proprietary, it's super easy to install KOReader.
You don't even need to hack into it some custom firmware, just a sideloader, which normally doesn't break even if you actually updated the base firmware.
Here the official tutorial on how to do it: https://github.com/koreader/koreader/wiki/Installation-on-Kobo-devices
You don't even need to hack into it some custom firmware, just a sideloader, which normally doesn't break even if you actually updated the base firmware.
Here the official tutorial on how to do it: https://github.com/koreader/koreader/wiki/Installation-on-Kobo-devices
AFAIK every single ebook reader on the market actually runs Linux under the hood!
un parts of europe, you can get some kobos branded as “tolino” - they have the same hardware, but actually run on android
Kobo readers are really neat, I’ve been using them for over a decade and I don’t remember ever using a Rakuten account or even going online with them for anything but software updates or connecting to my local library system (which Kindle can’t do). I use Calibre on the desktop to manage, convert and load my reader and that’s it.
itsAllDigitalYour best bet for a no BS ebook reader might be this (if it where in stock):
pine64.com/product/pinenote-developer-edition/
PineNote Developer Edition - PINE STORE
NOTICE: The PineNote is an experimental device. PineNote software is still in it's infancy and therefore it is ONLY suitable for experienced developers. At present time, there is no default OS for the PineNote. BODY Dimensions: 191.1 x 232.5 x 7.4mm Weight: 438g Build: Polymer & PMMA Colour: White & Black DISPLAY Grayscale 16 e-paper display Front Light: 36 levels of blue and amber light Capacitive multi-touch panel EMR pen digitizer Resolution: 1404x1872, DPI: 227 PLATFORM CPU: Rockchip RK3566 (1.8GHz 64-bit quad-core Cortex A55) GPU: Mali G52 2EE MEMORY Internal Flash Memory: 128GB eMMC System Memory: 4GB LPDDR4 EMR pen Configurable Buttons: ON/OFF, back, forward SOUND Loudspeaker: stereo Microphones 4x COMMUNICATION WLAN: Wi-Fi 802.11ac, hotspot capable Bluetooth: 5.0 FEATURES USB: USB2.0 Type C (USB host) Sensors: gyro for portrait/ vertical orientation BATTERY Li-Po 4000 mAh battery Charging: USB type-C, 15W – 5V 3A Quick Charge, follows USB PD specification PACKAGE CONTENTS PineNote USB-A to USB-C charging cable Quick Start User Manual EMR Pen Protective cover Device Warranty: 30 Days Note: The PineNote Developer Edition is aimed at Linux developers with an extensive knowledge of embedded systems and/or experience with mobile Linux. Due to restrictions placed on shipment of Lithium-ion battery operated devices, such as the PineNote, it needs to be purchased separately from other items in the Pine Store. Adding other items to the basket will return an error at check-out.
The PineNote won’t be in stock until the community of developers figure out a proper Linux based OS for it. I dig through the forums occasionally and they are making progress, but it won’t be soon.
harald_im_netzYeah, the development for the Pine products take their time, but I wouldn’t want to trade my PineTime for something else. Great gadget for an incredibly low price!
Dude for real!! 30 bucks and does everything I really want a smartwatch to do, without all the telemetry siphoning! Plus that “Terminal” watch face is chef’s kiss. (zephyrlabs.github.io/Watchfaces/Terminal/)
Take a look at pocketbook devices.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PocketBook_International
Yes, I have a Pocketbook and it runs on some Linux distribution variant. Very happy with it.
the16bitgamerI think it depends on how invested you are in ebooks, and how much time you wanna spend on it. I would advise a Kobo if you aren’t up for Tinkering or an iPad if you are flexible with the screen.
But if you are up for a challenge a Chinese ePaper Android Tablet like Onyx Boox or Bouyee, so long as you can get Google Play to work. Or a Pocket Book if you can sort out DRM removal for ebooks.
Here are the pros and cons bellow
Kobo is the easy option.
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Adobe Digital Editions for non-kobo DRM, and library access. Its able to read DRM free books like you find on Project Gutenberg or Humble Bundle.
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Major downside is that you can’t read Amazon without effort (or a kindle serial number), book sorting kind of sucks without Calibre, and the storage size is small if you are into Comics.
iPad is the safe option
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Apple Books app is convenient and can read anything. It can sync with your iCloud if you wanna so you can continue on your iPhone. And DRM isn’t an issue since you can just download the apps.
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but its a LCD Tablet, and no ePaper display. iTunes isn’t the easiest to figure out to move books and iCloud can get verrry expensive if you are syncing comics.
Android Tablets are kind of in the same boat but…
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with KOReader even an old (but not too old) tablet is viable. Side loading official apps.
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OS updates are kind of hit or miss, support for older android is worse than iPad, and the devs don’t put as much effort in their Android ports.
Android ePaper tablet (Onyx Boox)
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Usually steals KOReader as its base, if its new probably has pen support so you can use it as a writing tablet, if it has Google Play you can get official apps
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But its expensive, there is often no updates to the OS, usually no MicroSD card, and has a lot of preinstalled bloat which is hard to trust.
Kindle Tablet/fire tablet
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Cons, its made by Amazon and will track your every movement.
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Pros keep it offline and it can read converted DRM free ebooks converted to AZW3 via Calibre. Fire Tablets can be made into cheap eReaders with side loading. But more importantly if you do give your kindle an Amazon account you can decrypt ebooks with its serial number. So you can get cheap books on a better eReaders.
If you go for the Kobo Clara HD (Not the newer one), you can go around the storage size by replacing the internal microSD card (It is a bit of work, yes, but it works, and is doable)
Also, on Kobo, it is very easy to put KOReader on as well, so very much, comfy.
I just bought the onyx box page and I’m not seeing much, if any bloat. It’s a premium ebook reader ($250), but I bought it to replace my aging Kindle Oasis. I use moon reader pro instead of the built in reader. Google Play worked fine straight out of the box. It has a micro SD card slot for more storage as well.
Overall I’m very satisfied with it and it is completely comparable to Amazons premium ereaders (honestly way longer battery life than my oasis ever had).
Time will tell on OS updates, but truthfully I don’t really care much about that. At least until my apps stop working.
I have a Nova 3 Color and 2 like books.
The likebooks never got OS updates, but the Nova got updates, but they were updating the default apps.
I don’t like moonreader, as I found it to be a battery hog. KOReader is my favourite and its the default reader (or a skin of it is)
By bloat I am referring to the Onyx store which is on my home screen and is not removable.
With that said my Nova is my preferred eReader, especially when I kill the WiFi. 2+ week battery life FTW
That’s fair. Using moon reader makes the library and store tabs useless. I have the store ‘disabled’ but the tab remains. Moon reader doesn’t like it when I open books via the library tab (creates a duplicate) so I stopped using it. Personally I rarely need to exit the moon reader app, so the base UI really doesn’t impact me much.
Haven’t noticed moon reader hogging the battery. I keep Wi-Fi and Bluetooth off and use a decent amount of backlight and still get a couple of weeks out of it. Which is so much better than the 2-4 days my oasis got.
Part of the reason I love mine is that it supports TTS so I can create my own audiobooks. Currently using Google wavenet to read books to me. This is nice for car rides especially cause I read a lot of books that will never get audio book versions (translated Chinese cultural cultivation fantasy)
Might be a phone thing. Usually crashes any background apps while in use. Maybe its fine on a dedicated device?
Bought an android tablet, installed Moon Reader+. Never looked back
CorrodedMight be worth noting but you can jailbreak a wide array of Kindles to use KOReader opening up the device for even more file types.
Joe Bidet+1 Kobo or PineNote
loopyI’ve had a good experience with an old Kindle 3G and the Calibre program. You can get the old Kindles pretty cheap and they don’t have the built-in ads and some of the slightly useless features of the new ones.
That, or like the16bitgamer mentioned, an iPad has good options for free ebook apps without ads or tracking. I found this one called eBoox that has great usability and no ads. It’s weirdly marketed as a “cute” ebooks app, but it’s honestly better than the stock one and doesn’t actually have cats or those pictures that are in the description in the actual app.
eBoox - fb2 ePub book reader
eBoox – the most pleasant book reader ever! * *according to my mom :) • Cute, simple and useful UI, • Effective reading tools: bookmarks, 3-colors highlights, interactive links and notes, • Dark mode and offline reading, • Customized settings - Fonts, Fields, Text size, screen Brightness, Page scro…
i can connect to my pc, pass ebooks in different formats into it and read.
Sounds like you don’t need internet usage. In that case, you can use most ebook readers, including stuff with companies shit on it, and just never connect to the internet. If privacy is the concern, they can’t track you if you never connect to the Internet.
professedI love my Remarkable 2. The company has a freemium model for its online services, but the device is lovely on its own and it’s Linux under the hood, with an active modding community delivering cool tweaks.
Out of curiosity, what kind of tweaks?
Here are a few! There was also a whole wiki, RemarkableWiki.com, for a while where users shared technical tips and tricks. It’s not up at the moment and I’m not sure if it’s down permanently or only temporarily. My experience has been similar to @[email protected] — I bought the device because I liked how user-modifiable the software was, but once I had it in hand I found that official development was moving briskly enough with new features and UI improvements that I’ve never really had a reason to mod it. I have SSH’d into the device to set it up with a few of the trickier WiFi networks in my life, though, and can confirm that it’s a breeze.
Second the remarkable. It works well enough that I haven’t even bothered to install any of the community extensions, though that would be easy since it’s just Linux and I can SSH into it to install packages.
My experience has been very similar. As I say below, “I bought the device because I liked how user-modifiable the software was, but once I had it in hand I found that official development was moving briskly enough with new features and UI improvements that I’ve never really had a reason to mod it.”
SatyrSackIt looks awesome, but doesn’t seem to be that great as an ereader, though.
It really awesome when it comes to reading and annotating PDFs. That’s the main reason I got it — so many e-readers I’ve tried over the years have been horrible for PDF documents and as a professor that’s like 80% of my day. For ePub documents, it’s very capable now — even if that wasn’t the case a few software versions ago. That said, the experience is a bit idiosyncratic among e-reader devices. The Remarkable basically converts the ePub to a static document so that the UI can more or less treat it as a PDF, which is a different user experience than some other e-readers. It’s not unpleasant, but it’s different.
murfmanI have a Remarkable 2 as well that I love. But I also have an old Sony PRS-500 that is still kicking along and takes ePubs without any problems.
the remarkable software is proprietary. they just run it on linux and give you root via ssh, but installing anything voids your warranty…
Maybe I’m jaded / cynical, but that seems like a pretty reasonable compromise. If you want to take responsibility and install your software from scratch then nothing is guaranteed. I’d take that deal.
It’s okay, definitely was worth it for me.
But I still think its kinda weird to put out a 400$ device and then say: “here’s full ssh root access, but don’t use it”
So it’s basically just a Kindle but you don’t have to use an exploit to gain root access?
no, it is quite fancy hardware, almost a4 paper sized, very thin and with an amazing hand writing experience and pretty good ocr.
Its a good device, but also quite expensive
Does the Remarkable do stuff if you touch the screen with your fingers? Or can I make it not do that, and only react to the pen?
It does react to finger input, but it really shines with the pen. I’m not sure it is really worth it without the pen if I’m honest.
There’s a guide to install alpine on one of the Kindle fires that had the “paper-like” display
ThenThreeMoreBoox run android, so that might fit your title.
From your post content though it actually sounds like you’d be happy with a Kobo. You can easily transfer books and you can install third party open source reading software too.