@pluralistic yup. Liberals are basically pro status quo but want it to be nicer to those currently not empowered; they want fair play under existing rules. This goes back to before the founding of the US and was strongly reflected in the debate and politics around the drafting of the Constitution, as I understand it. The progressive left, under many historical names, wants structural change that rewrites the game rules and reshuffles the socioeconomic deck. Liberals usually hate this definition