pyromaniac_donkeyshhhh dont tell them :)
SpaceCadetThe irony is that “it just works” is often more true for Arch than for other distros because it has up-to-date drivers for everything.
Try to get a Radeon 7900XT working on Ubuntu 22.04 for example. It’s possible, but you’ll be jumping through much more hoops than on Arch.
Uh no? You just need the latest kernel which you can install with one click it you use mainline. You’ll also want the latest version of Mesa which you can through Kisak’s PPA. It should take maybe 10 minutes. The average user is going to spend way more than 10 minutes installing and setting up Arch…
The average user is going to spend way more than 10 minutes installing and setting up Arch…
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unless you are going to argue that it’s not pure arch in which case I will argue it’s distinction without a difference that matters to anyone but the 0.01%
Also archinstaller is pretty easy to use.
Maybe I’m a bit biased because I have over 25 years of Linux and Unix experience, but I never found Arch particularly hard to install, just a little bit tedious. I mean, it’s just following a few basic instructions from a wiki.
well yeah, but I don’t want to follow instructions when installing my OS, I want a working OS, I don’t particularly care for setting up networking, I want it to just work, hence endeavorOs, click a few buttons, stuff I would install anyway gets installed and it just works.
Could I do the install manually? I could. Will I? I won’t. Why? Exactly. Why would I do it when there is something that does it for me.
Why would I do it when there is something that does it for me
Fair enough if you don’t want to but, there are reasons:
- You may not like the implicit choices the installer makes for you
- You may want to do things in a way that the installer simply hasn’t foreseen or doesn’t support
- It forces you to make deliberate choices and think about them, for example: which software do I want to use to manage my network connections?
- It familiarizes you with what goes into booting your linux system and shows you that it’s not “magic” but quite an understandable process
- It familiarizes you with how you can fix your system if you broke it and it doesn’t boot. (
arch-chrootcan be super handy)
I see it as investing 30 minutes to an hour of my time to ensure the system is configured exactly as I want it. It’s not as if you have to do it every week or month, I currently have three computers running Arch, installed in 2014, 2019 and 2021 respectively. On each of them I have installed Arch exactly once.
On each of them I have installed Arch exactly once.
exactly my point, literally learning somethinf that doesn’t matter because by the next time I have forgotten it
- It forces you to make deliberate choices and think about them, for example: which software do I want to use to manage my network connections?
of all the things I could care about in the world this seems the least important one, not to mention the first part goes against the point of me saying I don’t care, I just want it to work fast and not have to think about it.
- It familiarizes you with how you can fix your system if you broke it and it doesn’t boot. (
arch-chrootcan be super handy)
you can do that when you have actually broken something, like I did.
- You may want to do things in a way that the installer simply hasn’t foreseen or doesn’t support
once again, endeavor os installer just works, if it doesn’t you are already in the very small percentage of the already small linux user base
- You may not like the implicit choices the installer makes for you.
that’s so hypothetical, like what?
- It familiarizes you with what goes into booting your linux system and shows you that it’s not “magic” but quite an understandable process
I really doubt it does. either you already have a good grasp of it, or it might as well be chinese for you.
these arguments that you learn something useful while fucking around with your arch install are very much spurious and at best they apply to the very-very small percentage who want to do that. Majority of learning will come once thr system is up and running and then fucking around with it, maybe debugging what works what doesn’t.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s nice that you like it and like the control and it’s awesome that you have the option for it, but it doesn’t apply to 99.9% of the population
so recommending to someone who wants to try out linix to just “try arch install” because it’s easy, is a good way to make them think linux is impossible.